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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2026 9:45 pm 
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You're wasting your time Sinners, he sees things no one else can...........like dead people.
For the record you are 100% spot on, Fraser has said this 2 weeks in a row now, so too the players and anyone else with an ounce of common sense.
Not sure who it was in the media, but they said the next coach will need to address our mental weakness in their interviews and how they will go about it.


Jack Reiwoldt said it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2026 10:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
You're wasting your time Sinners, he sees things no one else can...........like dead people.
For the record you are 100% spot on, Fraser has said this 2 weeks in a row now, so too the players and anyone else with an ounce of common sense.
Not sure who it was in the media, but they said the next coach will need to address our mental weakness in their interviews and how they will go about it.


Jack Reiwoldt said it.

Thanks Bondi, I thought it was him but I didn't want to state it was without verifying it.
But even though it is Jack, he still has a valid point.

It is a cycle we seem to struggle with.
The coach leaves or is sacked, the shackles and pressure comes off.
We start playing like champions with or until we get a new coach.
We then look like we can make a go of it and the accountability comes back into the game plan.
Then players start playing like s#$t again because of the pressure and having defined roles.
Rinse and repeat.

And to make it worse the senior players are the drivers and pass it onto the kids.
Rinse and repeat.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2026 11:42 pm 
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 Post subject: If not Voss, then who ?
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 12:52 am 
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Should probably take into account we've played 2 pretty poor teams. Or in last night's case, extremely poor

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 7:48 am 
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yeah, next week will be a better test. still, under voss. the last what? 40 games. played plenty of shit teams and didnt get it done. crawled into our shells and lost leads.

we are playing differently. we dont press up the field manically and guard space when we have the ball forward of centre. we are more opponent focussed. also the amount of times we use overlap when we mark it in our back half. there's not just one runner, there's two or three coming in a wave from behind our guy who's marked the ball.

this simply didnt happen under voss, bcos players were instructed to never stray away from their defensive space when we had the ball in our back 50. even with the ball, the focus was on defending. Fraser has changed all of that.

if you recall, this was the same way we played in 2023. but under voss, it wasnt by design, it was due to injury. we played more run and dash, and chaotic, with much less regard to defensive assignment when we had the ball.

in that 2023 run, we had players running, and hitting targets. the list was never the problem. the instructions were.



voss was a stress head. and stress is contagious. it was being passed thru the group, and it stemmed from voss. he's not a good coach. he's too stubborn, and some - well many - say arrogant.

and those two attributes get you killed in the business he was in.


i wish we parted with him at the end of 2024 season, bcos the writing was on the wall - we were sinking and voss was losing players with his style. a season and a half wasted all bcos carlton were worried about how it looked sacking yet another coach.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 7:59 am 
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People are still defending Voss the head coach?

It was obvious for way too long he wasn’t the guy. He had ample opportunity to evolve and prove himself but he, put simply, failed. We NEVER had any base level consistency under his tenure. Never. Either wildly good or putridly bad. Roller coaster the whole time.

If the club made the move, rightly imho, at the end of last year our season would be more the last 2 weeks and not the first 9.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:23 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
People are still defending Voss the head coach?

It was obvious for way too long he wasn’t the guy. He had ample opportunity to evolve and prove himself but he, put simply, failed. We NEVER had any base level consistency under his tenure. Never. Either wildly good or putridly bad. Roller coaster the whole time.

If the club made the move, rightly imho, at the end of last year our season would be more the last 2 weeks and not the first 9.



some in here, are more terminally stubborn than voss, it seems.


anyway. voss was an epic failure and is gone. now lets build this shitshow into something we are all proud of, again.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:28 am 
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People in here are still defending the players?

It was obvious for way too long that our players are mentally soft and unable to execute under pressure, they fall apart. Some reckon that changing the coach will fix the problem, yet we’ve changed coaches every 3 years for the last 25 years with no success. I guess they believe in the theory that if you have an infinite number of monkeys using typewriters eventually one will produce a Shakespeare quality play? Others reckon that Voss’s game plan was fundamentally flawed and that we’ve miraculously fixed it with a few small tweaks, not realising that that proves the fundamental game plan was sound. Yet others point to the way we’re playing, that we now play fluent, modern football for all four quarters instead of falling apart in the second half, or realising that this means we were playing the right way all year, just not all game. Others will point at how we reverted to the “bad Voss” plan in the third quarter on Saturday night as if we hadn’t been doing that all year. Others will say Fraser has “taken the pressure off the players and allowed them to perform the (Voss) game plan as they were meant to, which proves the Voss 2026 game plan was pretty sound.

Face it guys, the players are mentally weak and the playing culture has been weak ever since we recruited Mick Martyn.

I’m not defending Voss, he obviously couldn’t resolve the playing lists mental issues, but if you’re expecting a miracle just because we sacked yet another coach you’re delusional.


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