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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:28 am 
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Weitering is the one player who has currency
O’Farrell and Dean will be very good defenders
Both are attacking kicks
Weitering is a great one on one defender but he is too defensive
All players need to attack because times change fellas
Also it’s a cultural thing
Weitering is a poor leader
Melbourne may part with their 2 first round picks
If you can get Vlastuin who would be an unrestricted free agent to provide leadership and experience sounds sensible to me
Imagine if Melbourne had got rid ofPetracca Oliver and May a year earlier
What would they have got back


If Walker costs us our 2 first round picks (if we end up higher than 18th), I'd love to have 2 first rounders (picks 10-20 from WB if they can't get Butters)) to use on good players. Will those picks guarantee to fill glaring holes like Ruck or KPF? Good luck. But you're suggesting the Trading out a KPD were have for the next 5 years ie lose a bonafide AA KPD for 2 unprovens?

Would it be good for O'Farrell's and Deans development without Weitering there?
O'Farrell is 20yo and only played 6 games. He's got potential, but he's unproven and undeveloped, let alone coming off an ACL. Deano 1s 19yo and only played 7 games and a novice in anyone's language.

Even Weitering in his first year as the No 1 pick for the going tough in his first couple years with only 20yo Marchbankby his side, guided by the 30yo Sam Rowe, who in anyone's language was a stop gap and no leader or teacher.

Vlastuin turns 33 next year. Nic Newman turns 34 next year. I suppose he's free and fils the hole Saad, Williams or Newman leave for one more year. I don't think backline, other than KPD depth is our issue. A line breaking HB like AA Saad would be an asset, turning defence into attack, and supplement Wilson.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:34 am 
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keogh wrote:
As its turning out the Curnow trade is a winner
Curnow is very soft footballer as we know
Can’t handle pressure
His second efforts last night were non existent
We are a better club with him out of the joint
Time for Cripps and Weitering to join him


Thank god something is turning in our favour.
May this be the start of the reset.

Which way to go depends on which side off the fence you sit:

Reset or Rebuild.

I believe we have 20 good players and we can add to that, so its a reset for me.

With existing bookends for next 5 years, a CHB and Intercept Defender, we have 2 more spots to complete our spine. Add a Midfield captain Walsh leading Walker and Smith, with picks and a war chest, we are in Better shape than anytime during SOS rebuild imo. Hence its a reset for me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 11:47 am 
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When GW said he'd like a few more picks [in this years draft], he didnt say how he'd get those.

He has options outside of Trading Harry, Weiters or Cripps:

1. Spoon gives us 2 First Top 3 picks (we paid 4 first round picks for Top 3 players Dean and Smith)
2. Trade combinations of our 2026-2028 Draft picks eg:

2027 1st Carlton
2027 1st Swans

2028 1st Carlton
2026 2nd NM
2026 2nd GCS

The above 2 scenarios couple with the 2 picks if we end up last may give us 4 First round picks; a haul that compares to Richmonds recent haul of First rounders.

But we would be adding those 4 First rounders to our exisitng 20 good players. In fact the first 2 picks of Van Hatton and walker would be Best 23 players in 2027.

Then there's the following picks we can use in 2027 and 2028 with a focus on FA's or help spice up our 2026 Trades.

2027 2nd Carlton
2028 2nd Carlton
2026 3rd Carlton

2028 3rd Carlton
2027 3rd Carlton

We are NOT a basket case.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 12:15 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
keogh wrote:
Weitering is the one player who has currency
O’Farrell and Dean will be very good defenders
Both are attacking kicks
Weitering is a great one on one defender but he is too defensive
All players need to attack because times change fellas
Also it’s a cultural thing
Weitering is a poor leader
Melbourne may part with their 2 first round picks
If you can get Vlastuin who would be an unrestricted free agent to provide leadership and experience sounds sensible to me
Imagine if Melbourne had got rid ofPetracca Oliver and May a year earlier
What would they have got back

We won that final against Melbourne a few years ago because of Weitering attacking kick, so it’s a fallacy to say that he’s not an attacking defender. He can play that role in well organised defence. Also remember that while he may not be as attacking as HoF or Dean, he is better defensively than both. We need both sorts of defenders. Khamis at the dogs has been a revelation as an attacking defender this season, but then he was found out as lacking defensively, we don’t want the same done to Dean and HoF.
We keep him as a key defender, not a key leader.

If he’s got the ball in hand, he’s no longer a defender. He’s part of an attacking chain.

An attacking defender is one who leaves his direct opponent. The good ones know when they’re defending the low risk & they’ll put themselves in a position that takes them from NPC to bait in the trap. It’s a selfless, statless, frame of mind.

Responding to that WhatsApp thread was the last risk he’s taken.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 12:46 pm 
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Agreed with Bondi posts about Weitering. I've been irritated with him lately, and agree he's not an on-field leader, but I assume he'd still set a great example to HOF'ell & Dean about how to win contests and read the play, and be an invaluable training partner. Obviously I will never know whether he's a positive or negative presence in the dressing room, but assuming he's non-toxic then we have to keep him; we can't keep shedding top shelf (or potentially top shelf) KPs. I don't think going exclusively for draft picks is the way; we have ample under-23 quantity (quality TBC but even a top five pick is a gamble). As for this Van Hitler or whatever his name is, is he not subject to the ruckman's rule of thumb, that he won't be ready to roll for at least 4-5 years?


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 12:57 pm 
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In any case, this isn’t the year to be trading ‘high currency’ assets. It’s not impossible, but there might only be one or two viable options.

If we pop on the tinfoil & break out the ball of thread….

- Trading for high picks this year would see at least one of them erased for Cody.
- There are no high picks next year. The ones that Tasmania have to trade can only be used on players.
- We already have two picks next year.
- Port Adelaide are in the same boat as us this year, except they’re planning for a deficit.
- We don’t need the Swans pick to match a bid on Cody.
- Port Adelaide are going to try and land two first-round talents next year, despite starting with a deficit.
- Port Adelaide will want a Curnow-sized return for Butters.
- We will want a Curnow-sized return for Weitering.

It might need a third party, but I think the ingredients for a deal are all here.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 1:27 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
In any case, this isn’t the year to be trading ‘high currency’ assets. It’s not impossible, but there might only be one or two viable options.

If we pop on the tinfoil & break out the ball of thread….

- Trading for high picks this year would see at least one of them erased for Cody.
- There are no high picks next year. The ones that Tasmania have to trade can only be used on players.
- We already have two picks next year.
- Port Adelaide are in the same boat as us this year, except they’re planning for a deficit.
- We don’t need the Swans pick to match a bid on Cody.
- Port Adelaide are going to try and land two first-round talents next year, despite starting with a deficit.
- Port Adelaide will want a Curnow-sized return for Butters.
- We will want a Curnow-sized return for Weitering.

It might need a third party, but I think the ingredients for a deal are all here.


Are you proposing Butters as a target for us, or that he goes to the 3rd party, Port gets Weiters and we get something else?

If it's the former, I think it would be a mistake for us to essentially seek a Weiters for Butters trade. I realise that fast mids aren't our strong suit right now, but I think Walker profiles similarly to Butters- hopefully a MUCH bigger goal threat; another midfield weakness of ours is lack of goals and Butters does SFA in that regard - and with him, Jagga and Walsh forming the heart of our midfield I think we shouldn't be dedicating the bulk of our capital in that area. Keep the bookends, look for a top ruck/forward would me my priority.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 2:41 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
In any case, this isn’t the year to be trading ‘high currency’ assets. It’s not impossible, but there might only be one or two viable options.

If we pop on the tinfoil & break out the ball of thread….

- Trading for high picks this year would see at least one of them erased for Cody.
- There are no high picks next year. The ones that Tasmania have to trade can only be used on players.
- We already have two picks next year.
- Port Adelaide are in the same boat as us this year, except they’re planning for a deficit.
- We don’t need the Swans pick to match a bid on Cody.
- Port Adelaide are going to try and land two first-round talents next year, despite starting with a deficit.
- Port Adelaide will want a Curnow-sized return for Butters.
- We will want a Curnow-sized return for Weitering.

It might need a third party, but I think the ingredients for a deal are all here.


Are you proposing Butters as a target for us, or that he goes to the 3rd party, Port gets Weiters and we get something else?

If it's the former, I think it would be a mistake for us to essentially seek a Weiters for Butters trade. I realise that fast mids aren't our strong suit right now, but I think Walker profiles similarly to Butters- hopefully a MUCH bigger goal threat; another midfield weakness of ours is lack of goals and Butters does SFA in that regard - and with him, Jagga and Walsh forming the heart of our midfield I think we shouldn't be dedicating the bulk of our capital in that area. Keep the bookends, look for a top ruck/forward would me my priority.

I honestly don’t know what I’m suggesting, but I’ve started this climb & going back down isn’t an option…

The only thing I know for certain is that if that conversation starts, then $1m has to come off our books. Regardless of whatever war chest we’ve built. It’ll likely cost us $2m to get him out of Port.

I think our three picks are 75% of a deal for Butters.
I think Weitering is 90% of a deal for Butters, but it doesn’t satisfy Port’s need for 2027 picks. Nor does it seem a likely forever home for Weitering.

Hence the 3rd party.

Miles Bergman could break the deal open.
So could Melbourne’s draft hand.

Blues get: Butters, Bergman, 1x R1
Blues give: Weitering, 3x R1

Port get: 4x R1
Port give: Butters, Bergman

Dees get: Weitering
Dees give: 2x R1

I think we’re a few 2nd round pick swaps away from balancing the scales.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 3:26 pm 
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So we give up Weitering, 4 first round picks plus a second round pick for Butters and Cody?

Are you sure a first and second rounder are enough for Cody and we won’t lose him?

That also leaves gaps of a ruckman and a mature, key defender which I don’t see how we can fill with what’s remaining.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 6:30 pm 
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Wait....we're getting Van Halen for the ruck?

Can he jump?

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 6:31 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
So we give up Weitering, 4 first round picks plus a second round pick for Butters and Cody?

Are you sure a first and second rounder are enough for Cody and we won’t lose him?

That also leaves gaps of a ruckman and a mature, key defender which I don’t see how we can fill with what’s remaining.

Pick 3 & 27 is enough to match a bid at #1… but that’s a moot point.

Do the trades as outlined, Butters & Bergman become Blues. Weitering goes to Dees.

Assuming we run last & using current ladder position for the rest, the 2026 draft hand of the three teams could be:

Blues: 1, 11 (Dees), 19 (Blues via Port), 33 (GC)

Port: 5, 15 (GC via Dees), 18 (Syd via Blues), 23

Dees: 25 (North via Blues)

Then, when the draft opens, we bid on Cochrane at #1. Port match with #5 & 15, no deficit.
We use the #2 pick to get Cody. This unlocks the bonus pick, giving us the first two picks of the 2nd round.
Hope like hell that Ethan Herbert is still on the board at #12. Ruck problem solved.
Take Houndsome & Gayfer to open the 2nd round.

Butters
Bergman
Walker
Herbert (Ruck)
Houndsome (Fwd/Ruck)
Gayfer (Fwd)

Win the flag, probably.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 6:32 pm 
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i'd love to see fraser push mckay to FB or CHB and see if we have anything there. run a small forwardline. no long bombs, low driven chaos balls onto grass and lock it in.

if that all works, that could free up withering to get traded. i'm a bit sick of the sight of a pouting man child with oversized quads not affecting contests and not honouring his man all at the same time. all essential elements of being a defender, really.


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 6:36 pm 
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Would the saints still be interested in kemp? He's played enough decent games this season to have a bit of value

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2026 6:41 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
That better not be Mick Gayfer's kid :lol:

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Nephew.

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CK95 wrote:
Wait....we're getting Van Halen for the ruck?

Can he jump?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2026 11:31 am 
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I’ve been pretty frustrated by how much draft capital we had to give up for Harry Dean, and that we’ll likely need to give up even more for Cody Walker this year — especially when players like Daicos, Darcy and the Ashcroft brothers were acquired so cheaply. Getting Ison at pick #47 last year has at least eased the frustration a bit. It’s nice to finally get a draft win.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2026 1:46 pm 
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Crusader wrote:

I honestly don’t know what I’m suggesting, but I’ve started this climb & going back down isn’t an option…



:lol:

There's plenty of options and scenarios to explore.

Those 2nd round picks we gave/swapped with the Swans for their 3 Firsts would be handy.
I can't believe we gave them our 2025 pick 31 and our 2027 2nd Rnd pick.

I don't know much the ruck prospect Herbert. I will check out his profile and hopefully some footage. I hope he's tall, mobile and can jump....and, if so, gettable.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2026 2:14 pm 
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https://central.rookieme.com/afl/2025/12/05/2026-afl-draft-spotlight-rucks-to-run-rampant/

Very exciting find.

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THE BUDDING draft crop of 2026 shapes as one with a bit of everything and the ruck department is certainly not short on talent. A standout group of 200cm-plus prospects has already emerged, with the National Academy set to have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to key position options. After West Coast selected Cooper Duff-Tytler with pick four this year, many similar types may soon hit those lofty heights. We profile a handful of ruckmen to watch for next year, including an over-age wildcard.


Ethan Herbert (North Adelaide/SA)
Ruck | 200cm | 01/11/2008

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Arguably the most dominant bottom-age player in the SANFL Under 18 competition this year, Herbert put up big numbers in the ruck. Leaning on his craft and mobility, he averaged 17.9 disposals, 6.4 clearances, and 26.4 hitouts across 16 games for North Adelaide. His clean set of hands aided strong follow-up work and there is potential for the 200cm big man to develop his forward craft. He was only kept out of South Australia’s Under 18 side this year by All-Australian ruck Sam Ainsworth, but kept him honest at training and would comfortably have held his own at the level.


Lewis Houndsome (Northern Knights/VM)
Key Forward/Ruck | 199cm | 29/05/2008

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A man mountain who plays with serious presence, Houndsome has already proven to be a big-game player. Perhaps his greatest achievement was a best afield performance as Parade College took out its third consecutive Herald Sun Shield, impressing with his mobility and contested marking prowess around the ground. That breakout came after also winning best on ground honours in the ACC Grand Final. At 199cm, Houndsome’s base is up forward but his reach and physical makeup lend to becoming a very handy secondary ruck, especially when teaming up with Harry Van Hattum for the Knights and Vic Metro.


Harry Van Hattum (Northern Knights/VM)
Ruck/Key Forward | 202cm | 01/07/2008

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Standing at an imposing 202cm, Van Hattum is far more than just a hulking physical prospect. He is highly athletic for his size, capable of closing in hard on packs or standing up in them to mark overhead. He covers good ground to complement his ruck craft and is capable of providing a target either down the line or deep forward. There is plenty of talk already to suggest Van Hattum could be the leading key position player in 2026, drawing comparisons to this year’s fourth pick, Cooper Duff-Tytler.


Cooper Ramsay (East Fremantle/WA)
Ruck | 203cm | 09/01/2007

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There are massive wraps on Ramsay, who turned out for just one WAFL Colts game this year and two in 2024. The soccer convert was discovered at a ‘come and try’ day for tall talent and slotted into Western Australia’s Under 16 side as an over-ager last year. He would have been his state’s mainline ruck this year if not for stress fractures in his shin, but still earned a state combine invite and AFL clubs are clearly all over his raw athleticism. He’s the type of prospect who falls into the category of ‘plenty to work on, but plenty to work with’, so will be one to watch if he gets a clean run at it.


Benji van Rooyen (Claremont/WA)
Ruck | 203cm | 17/09/2008

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van Rooyen will be hoping to follow big brother Jacob into the AFL ranks next year. Projecting to have over 10cm of height over his elder sibling, the Claremont tall gets first access to the ball with his sheer reach and developing ruck craft. He’s wiry but super clean overhead and effective on the follow-up, making for nimble play at such a lofty height. The 17-year-old held down Western Australia’s starting ruck role this year and has begun to enhance his impact around the ground, as shown during Claremont’s run to a third-consecutive Colts flag.


Pick 1 3000 Points Cochrane Matched by Port
Pick 2 2481 Points Van Hatton Richmond/Effendope's First Pick
Pick 3 2178 Points Cody Walker Matched by Carlton

We may have our First Pick 5 1795 Points and Sydney's First Pick 17 879 points =2674 Points to use for Walker, if he's Bid on at Pick 2 or 3.
No Compensation Pick on offer if we end up 15th or Pick 4 ie above Rich, Effen, WCE if we win a few more games this season.

Our next Pick will be our NM 2nd Round pick approx Pick 23, then followed by GCS 2nd Round Pick approx Pick 32.
Which one of the abovementioned will be available at Pick 23?

A bit early to be looking at ladder position given we are obviously playing to win games after our win vs Dogs.

We will need to Package our 2027 First with our two 2026 2nds to move higher on the Draft Table to snag the best Ruck.

Bloody costly when compared with the free hits we get by ending with the spoon.

The games in 3 weeks time vs Effendopes and in 7 weeks time vs Tigers will give us a great indication where we will end up on the ladder.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2026 2:21 pm 
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I’ve been pretty frustrated by how much draft capital we had to give up for Harry Dean, and that we’ll likely need to give up even more for Cody Walker this year — especially when players like Daicos, Darcy and the Ashcroft brothers were acquired so cheaply. Getting Ison at pick #47 last year has at least eased the frustration a bit. It’s nice to finally get a draft win.


:mad: I feel ripped off too.

Its not that I want us to lose games, because that feels unnatural.
The Kreuzer Cup was one of the worst feelings I've experienced watching my team play.
But its not stupid to see the AFL has forced us to consider Tanking.

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