100 per cent make the most of what you've got . We aint far away .

Personally, I think Hoyne is spot on. You don't try to fix a problem by reducing a strength. You address your weaknesses.
We're the best team at scoring from stoppages but 18th for scoring from turnover and ball movement.
That's where your players are getting fatigued. Ideally you transition the ball from defence to your forward 50 and the players lock it in there.
As he said, we had the ball in our defensive 50 115 times and been rewarded with one goal from the times we win it back.
We have perpetual motion where we kick it out of defensive 50, we're outmarked or it spills from the contest and we're chasing arse again.

McKay has to play up the ground. They also spoke about Freo. They go to a contest, ensure they're not outmarked and they set up to win the contested footy when it hits the deck. We don't have that aerial contest. Harry is soft as butter IMO but he gives a solid contest when he can launch at the ball. His link work for our defenders is quite good. And if he doesn't mark it, we're the best team at scoring from stoppage. Get a stop play. It's much better than our current situation of being outmarked or the ball spilling into space.

We have a strength. Capitalise on it. Don't try to be something you're structurally incapable of being. It's not like Harry is firing inside 50. He has been targeted 35 times inside forward 50 for 8 marks. And then his kicking is a lottery at best.
No wonder Hayward is getting frustrated. He was bought in as a hybrid forward and he's been targeted 4 times.
Get some connection up the ground and start getting it inside 50.
We're 15th in the AFL for inside 50's. Last year we were 5th. Get it in there. I don't give a @#$%&! if they kick it to grass or to space along the ground! At least create a contest. Gives the smalls a look. Mix it up.

You can't kick goals if you don't get it there.

Can't agree.
We have been playing contested football and have failed. We cannot keep doing what we are doing and to put the blame on one person (Harry) is a little harsh.
He provides the target on the wing for our defensive outs, so it's not as if he is just planted in the square. I just feel he can't do much more as an individual but yes, he should keep his feet, use the bloody body more and hold his marks, but the effort is there and he is doing what is being asked of him.

I think this week's side is more balanced, but we need to use the ground and structure up right to run and carry as a unit.
I don't think we'll win, as we are down in confidence, but it's a start to see some run on the wings and half back / forward.

Honestly some people like the club are deluded
The contested win clearances game has been dead almost 2 years
Nothing has been done about it it since 2024

Honestly some people like the club are deluded
The contested win clearances game has been dead almost 2 years
Nothing has been done about it it since 2024

where do we rank in allowing scores from stoppage? we can cherry pick all the stats we want around clearances and stoppage, but imo there's no point, espesh when we can't deliver 4 qtrs of sustained attack.

we have no transition game. we don't ever go coast to coast. scoring from our D50 is among the worst in the league, and did i read correctly we are dead last in giving up scores from turnovers?

... we are so poor in every other aspect of the game - when we are bottom 3 or 4 on the ladder and when we've only won 12 of our last 36 games, we are in deep, stinking shit for a reason.

we've put all our eggs into just one aspect of the game, and neglected all others.

i'd rather be mid table in all the stats across the board, but contending - than having one single stat line that's impressive (even if we cannot sustain this over 4 qtrs of footy) and bottom 3 in the league material

where do we rank in allowing scores from stoppage? we can cherry pick all the stats we want around clearances and stoppage, but imo there's no point, espesh when we can't deliver 4 qtrs of sustained attack.

we have no transition game. we don't ever go coast to coast. scoring from our D50 is among the worst in the league, and did i read correctly we are dead last in giving up scores from turnovers?

... we are so poor in every other aspect of the game - when we are bottom 3 or 4 on the ladder and when we've only won 12 of our last 36 games, we are in deep, stinking shit for a reason.

we've put all our eggs into just one aspect of the game, and neglected all others.

i'd rather be mid table in all the stats across the board, but contending - than having one single stat line that's impressive (even if we cannot sustain this over 4 qtrs of footy) and bottom 3 in the league material

We're 6th best in the AFL, even though we don't want to cherry pick stats.
You're saying exactly what I said originally. Yes our transition game is shit, our turnover game is shit. But you don't look to remove our one actual strength unless it is the cause of the other issues.
Any scoring source is valuable. It's ridiculous to say scoring from clearance is redundant. The best teams in the AFL excel at it. The difference is they are also competent elsewhere. That should be our focus.
Just kicking shit out of the club is a sport for some of the flogs here. It achieves nothing.

I think we are all saying the same thing, yet we are debating it anyway.
As for the flogs part - that’s a bit harhs, I think people should be allowed to voice their opinion.

I'm happy to put my hand up and say I'm a flog.

We're 6th best in the AFL comparatively, even though we don't want to cherry pick stats.
You're saying exactly what I said originally. Yes our transition game is shit, our turnover game is shit. But you don't look to remove our one actual strength unless it is the cause of the other issues.
Any scoring source is valuable. It's ridiculous to say scoring from clearance is redundant. The best teams in the AFL excel at it. The difference is they are also competent elsewhere. That should be our focus.
Just kicking shit out of the club is a sport for some of the flogs here. It achieves nothing.

I'm happy to put my hand up and say I'm a flog.

Fifth year in. What does he have when we don’t dominate clearance and stoppage?