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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:34 pm 
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Mitch Cleary
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Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL


:thumbsup: thanks Effes.

I wonder if he will be on Primary or Rookie List.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:48 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
A recent phantom draft from Sporting news has Dean at pick 9 (*'s second pick)
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-phantom-draft-2025-top-10-prospects-first-round-projections/d09e6c7dcbea1d13897a67ac

1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Annable - Lions
5. Patterson - GCS
6. Robey
7. Sharp
8. Taylor
9. Dean
10. Grlj
11. Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. GWS
15. WCE
16. Carlton (as below)

Pick #9 = 1355pts less 10% = 1220pts
Picks #12 & #14 = 2164pts
Balance = 944pts (pick #16 - 924pts)

From Cal Twomey phantom guide.
With 5 players to be picked before our next pick if the above happens there is still:
Schubert - 197cm Key forward
Lindsay - 183cm Defender/midfielder
Farrow - 188cm Midfielder
Marsh - 191cm Forward
Cumming - 186cm Midfielder
Greeves - 191cm Midfielder
Phillipou - 183cm Midfielder/Forward
Dovaston - 177cm Small Forward
Hibbins-Hargreaves - 186cm Forward/Midfielder
Oskar Taylor - 182cm Defender

If the club is interested in Dovaston and they think they can get him at the end of the first round I wouldn't be surprised if we traded our 'slide' pick back to get extra points incase an earlier bid comes in for Ison as we will most likely only have 1 pick that will have points attached to it (pick #43 - 184pts as it stands, pick #54 - 14pts might be wiped)
Or they might just take a points deficit into next years draft for Cody, I can't see it being too much.
Plus we can still trade out players next season anyway to get more points.

Let's just hope the bid comes in later than pick 9 and not at all for Ison.


Farrow and Lindsay would be great. In fact I have them ahead of Duursma. Duursma's are the same as Morton's. Very good junior footballers, bang average at the next level. We've seen two, what makes clubs think the third will be any different? I also don't think Harry Dean is a top 10 pick. He's too much of an in-between height. Not a KPD, more your Jake Lever type. Would be happy to take a flyer on Harley Barker. Did his ACL and won't play in 2026, but would have been a top 10 pick.

I like Lindsay also, good replacement for Newman if Ben C, Wilson or Ollie H doesn't make it their own.
Plus he'll be another Falcon the Cats won't get.

Farrow would be the same for HB depth.

Firstly for me, I'd like to add mids that can go forwards and kick them goals.
Preferably with speed and great foot skills.
The more of them the better IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:55 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
The rules state that you can’t go into the draft with more picks than available primary list spots.

Once the draft begins, you can split a pick however many times you want to build up points. But, until then, the order is set according to the number of available places.

Clubs must have:

A minimum of 36, and maximum of 38 players on the primary list.
No more than 44 players in total, with the balance (6-8 players) made up from Category A and/or B rookies.

Right now, our list is:

Primary - 34 (including McGovern & Elijah)
Total - 43 (McGovern, Elijah, White, F.Young)

That leaves just one list spot open, and it won’t get us to the minimum 36 primary.

If we don’t cut the list down to at least 40, we won’t be able to start the draft with four picks. That means fewer points. Until the Dean & Ison are in the bag, points are all that matter.


I didnt realise that. I was sure teams had an abundance of picks, they were never going to use to pick players but rather to match a pick. see Daicos.

What I am reading into this is we can't delist players after the draft, that must be done before the Draft.???
Once the draft starts, you can trade in as many picks as you want. Regardless of vacant list spots. But, once the list is full, no more picks.

I believe the contract year begins in November, unless signed as SSP… not certain on that, but delisted players that aren’t free agents must nominate for the draft. They can be signed as DFA after that.

I believe the timing is the main thing. If we delist McGovern now, therefore gaining a spot, he would have to nominate for the draft.

We have enough spots on the primary list, but we need to bring the total down to at least 40.

White, Young & Hollands would do it. Or any other combination.

We might delist someone like Fogarty & make him VFL captain. He’d get paid this year’s wage, plus whatever they get for VFL & we could add an extra senior body to that group.

We might even talk Travis Boak into a medium forward job at VFL level. Two senior on field leaders to really get behind Voss & Fraser. Maybe, just maybe, turn that area around.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:58 pm 
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malbi wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
A recent phantom draft from Sporting news has Dean at pick 9 (*'s second pick)
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-phantom-draft-2025-top-10-prospects-first-round-projections/d09e6c7dcbea1d13897a67ac

1. Duursma
2. Uwland - GCS
3. Duff-Tytler
4. Annable - Lions
5. Patterson - GCS
6. Robey
7. Sharp
8. Taylor
9. Dean
10. Grlj
11. Melbourne
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. GWS
15. WCE
16. Carlton (as below)

Pick #9 = 1355pts less 10% = 1220pts
Picks #12 & #14 = 2164pts
Balance = 944pts (pick #16 - 924pts)

From Cal Twomey phantom guide.
With 5 players to be picked before our next pick if the above happens there is still:
Schubert - 197cm Key forward
Lindsay - 183cm Defender/midfielder
Farrow - 188cm Midfielder
Marsh - 191cm Forward
Cumming - 186cm Midfielder
Greeves - 191cm Midfielder
Phillipou - 183cm Midfielder/Forward
Dovaston - 177cm Small Forward
Hibbins-Hargreaves - 186cm Forward/Midfielder
Oskar Taylor - 182cm Defender

If the club is interested in Dovaston and they think they can get him at the end of the first round I wouldn't be surprised if we traded our 'slide' pick back to get extra points incase an earlier bid comes in for Ison as we will most likely only have 1 pick that will have points attached to it (pick #43 - 184pts as it stands, pick #54 - 14pts might be wiped)
Or they might just take a points deficit into next years draft for Cody, I can't see it being too much.
Plus we can still trade out players next season anyway to get more points.

Let's just hope the bid comes in later than pick 9 and not at all for Ison.


If Melbourne, Hawthorn, GWS or West Coast pick Dovaston then trading back the 'slide' pick would be a waste of time. We should just see where that pick lands after matching the Dean bid and then take the best available. It may be Marsh or Cumming or Greeves. It may be Dovaston.

There is a chance that Dean won't be bid on before Pick 9. In that case we have a free hit to select someone like Schubert, Lindsay or Farrow. Then we match Dean with Pick 11 if Hawthorn bid on him. If they don't bid on him either we may trade Pick 11 down to two lower picks and wait for the bid to come in and see how cheap we can get him. The remainder can then be used on Ison. If we have too many points for Ison then we may be able to select someone else around that mark. That is why I would go into the draft with four spots available.

Cal Twomey is coming out with a new phantom guide on Friday.

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Clearly you wouldn't trade that pick until it was due to be used, hence the reason for live trading.

Ideally a pick for Dean does not come until closer to our first live pick or even after, but I reckon * or the Dees will bid on him before the Hawks do.

Friday then, that'll be good.
Cal is in the know at which club is looking at who and will pretty much be spot on for the first 10 picks, so we will have a better idea of what is going on by then.
Hopefully the clubs have an unwritten agreement to push back Non pick 1,2 or 3 FS picks past 10 so the AFL can't get in and muck things up even more.
Doubt it though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:13 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Mitch Cleary
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Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL


Good decision IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mitch Cleary
@cleary_mitch

Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL


Good decision IMO.

Yep. Good cover.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mitch Cleary
@cleary_mitch

Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL


Good decision IMO.

Agree.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:26 pm 
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Re-signed needed to be done but a bit fortunate


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:37 pm 
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One year deal is good. Keep him on edge.

IMHO, better to re sign him than a DFA.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 2:51 pm 
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london blue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Schubert looks really good, and we need a young key forward, but we need a KPD even more


Admittedly, I don't know a thing about any of the draft prospects this year.

But as soon as I saw Sidey's list above I thought, surely we take Schubert, given that we've just lost Charlie and H is fast approaching 30.

Unless the midfielders are guaranteed to be bonafide superstars, which is unlikely at the end of the first round, you'd think you would draft for need.

Easy on poor Harry - 2 full seasons before he turns 30!


First thing I thought when I saw the aim taken at Harry.

Our window is not closed whilst Harry is on our list.

True Bondi

AND we don’t know what’s around to corner - all sorts of possibilities - 2026 is a new beginning


Haha, my bad.

I actually didn't realise he was almost a full year younger than Charlie, despite being in the same draft.

I still think my point regarding drafting Schubert is valid though. :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:15 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:

I still think my point regarding drafting Schubert is valid though. :razz:


Schubert looks good, even if he doesnt wear a Rapberry beret. :wink:

I used to think he's a 3rd tall forward but he's mobile and tall enough to play CHF.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:15 pm 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Re-signed needed to be done but a bit fortunate


He can thank the Doggies hold on Khamis.Makes sense.

Still need a KP either end.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:18 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
The rules state that you can’t go into the draft with more picks than available primary list spots.

Once the draft begins, you can split a pick however many times you want to build up points. But, until then, the order is set according to the number of available places.

Clubs must have:

A minimum of 36, and maximum of 38 players on the primary list.
No more than 44 players in total, with the balance (6-8 players) made up from Category A and/or B rookies.

Right now, our list is:

Primary - 34 (including McGovern & Elijah)
Total - 43 (McGovern, Elijah, White, F.Young)

That leaves just one list spot open, and it won’t get us to the minimum 36 primary.

If we don’t cut the list down to at least 40, we won’t be able to start the draft with four picks. That means fewer points. Until the Dean & Ison are in the bag, points are all that matter.


I didnt realise that. I was sure teams had an abundance of picks, they were never going to use to pick players but rather to match a pick. see Daicos.

What I am reading into this is we can't delist players after the draft, that must be done before the Draft.???
Once the draft starts, you can trade in as many picks as you want. Regardless of vacant list spots. But, once the list is full, no more picks.

I believe the contract year begins in November, unless signed as SSP… not certain on that, but delisted players that aren’t free agents must nominate for the draft. They can be signed as DFA after that.

I believe the timing is the main thing. If we delist McGovern now, therefore gaining a spot, he would have to nominate for the draft.

We have enough spots on the primary list, but we need to bring the total down to at least 40.

White, Young & Hollands would do it. Or any other combination.

We might delist someone like Fogarty & make him VFL captain. He’d get paid this year’s wage, plus whatever they get for VFL & we could add an extra senior body to that group.

We might even talk Travis Boak into a medium forward job at VFL level. Two senior on field leaders to really get behind Voss & Fraser. Maybe, just maybe, turn that area around.


Thanks Cru.
Makes sense.

Young was signed as a rookie to cover an LTI (whoever it was...Kemp???). But, White was selected in the PSD and on the Primary list, and Lij is as good as gone. Club would have announced his retention today, along with Gov...I suspect.... if Lij was to be retained.

I strongly believe we should make 2 spots available for the SSP, and invite a heap of train on players fighting for the 2 KP spots we have made available. To do that, it would have to be 2 of Fog, Binns or Boyd. The former 2 imo. Love the idea of Fog as VFL captain now Ramshaw has left. Can't see the need for Binns.

Can we delist 2 players after the draft, to make room for 2 SSP's?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mitch Cleary
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Mitch McGovern is in talks with Carlton on a one-year extension.
The Blues opted not to play him in the final game of the season to hit a 2026 contract trigger.
However the failure to land Buku Khamis in the trade period provides an opening @7NewsMelbourne @7AFL


Good decision IMO.


A very good decision .

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From reports that West Coast is looking at bidding on Dean at pick 2…
It would be very telling that Daicos gets to pick 4, Ashcroft at pick 5, and Harry Dean at pick 2!
I’d be tempted to let them have him and go after him after 2 yrs of misery at West Coast.

PS. It is ridiculous that they get to keep pick 2 notwithstanding the Free Agent rules/history given they won a flag a few years ago and then made the conscious and completely foreseeable bad decision to give away multiple high picks for Tim Kelly.


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bondiblue wrote:

Schubert looks good, even if he doesnt wear a Rapberry beret. :wink:


I knew someone would get the joke!

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17th Premiership wrote:
From reports that West Coast is looking at bidding on Dean at pick 2…
It would be very telling that Daicos gets to pick 4, Ashcroft at pick 5, and Harry Dean at pick 2!
I’d be tempted to let them have him and go after him after 2 yrs of misery at West Coast.

PS. It is ridiculous that they get to keep pick 2 notwithstanding the Free Agent rules/history given they won a flag a few years ago and then made the conscious and completely foreseeable bad decision to give away multiple high picks for Tim Kelly.


100% I would let him go at pick 2, especially if there was someone else we fancied who now might still be on the table at our pick. Trade for Dean in a year or two for a future second rounder.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 5:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
The rules state that you can’t go into the draft with more picks than available primary list spots.

Once the draft begins, you can split a pick however many times you want to build up points. But, until then, the order is set according to the number of available places.

Clubs must have:

A minimum of 36, and maximum of 38 players on the primary list.
No more than 44 players in total, with the balance (6-8 players) made up from Category A and/or B rookies.

Right now, our list is:

Primary - 34 (including McGovern & Elijah)
Total - 43 (McGovern, Elijah, White, F.Young)

That leaves just one list spot open, and it won’t get us to the minimum 36 primary.

If we don’t cut the list down to at least 40, we won’t be able to start the draft with four picks. That means fewer points. Until the Dean & Ison are in the bag, points are all that matter.


I didnt realise that. I was sure teams had an abundance of picks, they were never going to use to pick players but rather to match a pick. see Daicos.

What I am reading into this is we can't delist players after the draft, that must be done before the Draft.???
Once the draft starts, you can trade in as many picks as you want. Regardless of vacant list spots. But, once the list is full, no more picks.

I believe the contract year begins in November, unless signed as SSP… not certain on that, but delisted players that aren’t free agents must nominate for the draft. They can be signed as DFA after that.

I believe the timing is the main thing. If we delist McGovern now, therefore gaining a spot, he would have to nominate for the draft.

We have enough spots on the primary list, but we need to bring the total down to at least 40.

White, Young & Hollands would do it. Or any other combination.

We might delist someone like Fogarty & make him VFL captain. He’d get paid this year’s wage, plus whatever they get for VFL & we could add an extra senior body to that group.

We might even talk Travis Boak into a medium forward job at VFL level. Two senior on field leaders to really get behind Voss & Fraser. Maybe, just maybe, turn that area around.


Thanks Cru.
Makes sense.

Young was signed as a rookie to cover an LTI (whoever it was...Kemp???). But, White was selected in the PSD and on the Primary list, and Lij is as good as gone. Club would have announced his retention today, along with Gov...I suspect.... if Lij was to be retained.

I strongly believe we should make 2 spots available for the SSP, and invite a heap of train on players fighting for the 2 KP spots we have made available. To do that, it would have to be 2 of Fog, Binns or Boyd. The former 2 imo. Love the idea of Fog as VFL captain now Ramshaw has left. Can't see the need for Binns.

Can we delist 2 players after the draft, to make room for 2 SSP's?

White & Frank the Tank were added during the SSP window.

Frank was the 44th player, on a rookie deal.
White was the 45th, a replacement for Jagga. Also a rookie deal.
Young was the 46th, added at the MSD, a replacement for Kemp.

Not too sure on delistings after the draft. I think there’s a snafu where the player wouldn’t be eligible to sign elsewhere, having not been available through the exchange period.

In any case, it wouldn’t make sense to deny ourselves the chance to fill the spot during, at least, the rookie draft.

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Dean is happy to go anywhere. His contract would be three years. Highly unlikely Blues would see him again. Win/win for the Eagles. They either get the player or make a competitor suffer.


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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Schubert looks good, even if he doesnt wear a Rapberry beret. :wink:


I knew someone would get the joke!

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17th Premiership wrote:
From reports that West Coast is looking at bidding on Dean at pick 2…
It would be very telling that Daicos gets to pick 4, Ashcroft at pick 5, and Harry Dean at pick 2!
I’d be tempted to let them have him and go after him after 2 yrs of misery at West Coast.

PS. It is ridiculous that they get to keep pick 2 notwithstanding the Free Agent rules/history given they won a flag a few years ago and then made the conscious and completely foreseeable bad decision to give away multiple high picks for Tim Kelly.


100% I would let him go at pick 2, especially if there was someone else we fancied who now might still be on the table at our pick. Trade for Dean in a year or two for a future second rounder.

Wouldn’t do it to the young man.

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