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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon*** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon*** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

I wouldn’t rule out the Scum taking a run at the first or second pick.

They have already come out saying they want Duursma to join his brother.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:33 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison

In a perfect world…

Sam Cumming
Harry Dean
Cameron Nairn
Jack Ison

In a less perfect world…

Harry Dean
Jack Ison
Two of Nairn, Rodriguez, Oudishoorn-Bennier, Driscoll, Holmes, Barker, Coulson, Addinsall, Prindable… or a tall, or a small…

What do you like about Cumming?

For me Grlj ran a 5:59 (4 sec slower than Hollands) 2km and also ran 2.926 20m sprint.
He'd be a gun HB, is from Vic and barracks for us.
He models his game on Butters and N Daicos.
I doubt he will slip back that far though, they are saying Richmond will most likely pick him up.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-grlj/

I think he’s a good enough athlete & far superior footballer. Just below, if not level, with Taylor, Annable, Sharp & Dean.

Bonus points for being useful across half forward while staking his case for the midfield.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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What do you like about Cumming?


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Oh my…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 11:38 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon**** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon**** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

I wouldn’t rule out the Scum taking a run at the first or second pick.

They have already come out saying they want Duursma to join his brother.

They poured a STACK of money & effort into getting Duff-Tytler into their academy - but missed.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Crusader wrote:
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What do you like about Cumming?


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Oh my…

:lol:

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Frank Carspew
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Is an exciting position to be in 2 first round picks in draft a F/S relatively high up in the draft and our first serious NGA candidate

I think the concern generally by everyone is that we maximise the position we are in and hopefully get someone else good in addition to Dean and Ison in the draft ie Cumming Dovaston etc

This is in the context that Dean has come in a long way snd now a likely top 10 pick, the F/Srules have changed again for this draft and Ison’s rating has been improving since early September .

An additional factor is also whether any of our good draft hand this year could be used or transferred to next year to acquire Cody despite the fact that the bloody AFL havent disclosed the rules for 2026 and again are trying to reduce access again to father/sons -I understand this is unlikely
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Sidefx
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison

In a perfect world…

Sam Cumming
Harry Dean
Cameron Nairn
Jack Ison

In a less perfect world…

Harry Dean
Jack Ison
Two of Nairn, Rodriguez, Oudishoorn-Bennier, Driscoll, Holmes, Barker, Coulson, Addinsall, Prindable… or a tall, or a small…

What do you like about Cumming?

For me Grlj ran a 5:59 (4 sec slower than Hollands) 2km and also ran 2.926 20m sprint.
He'd be a gun HB, is from Vic and barracks for us.
He models his game on Butters and N Daicos.
I doubt he will slip back that far though, they are saying Richmond will most likely pick him up.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-grlj/

I think he’s a good enough athlete & far superior footballer. Just below, if not level, with Taylor, Annable, Sharp & Dean.

Bonus points for being useful across half forward while staking his case for the midfield.

Good point, I will have to watch a bit more of him then.
If we got Sharp I'd be stoked, doubt that would happen though.
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Sidefx
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:11 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon***** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon***** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

I wouldn’t rule out the Scum taking a run at the first or second pick.

They have already come out saying they want Duursma to join his brother.

They poured a STACK of money & effort into getting Duff-Tytler into their academy - but missed.

Good.
Hopefully they pay up for him or Duursma.
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Crusader
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:58 pm 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Is an exciting position to be in 2 first round picks in draft a F/S relatively high up in the draft and our first serious NGA candidate

I think the concern generally by everyone is that we maximise the position we are in and hopefully get someone else good in addition to Dean and Ison in the draft ie Cumming Dovaston etc

This is in the context that Dean has come in a long way snd now a likely top 10 pick, the F/Srules have changed again for this draft and Ison’s rating has been improving since early September .

An additional factor is also whether any of our good draft hand this year could be used or transferred to next year to acquire Cody despite the fact that the bloody AFL havent disclosed the rules for 2026 and again are trying to reduce access again to father/sons -I understand this is unlikely

They’ve found a new avenue to enforce the Carlton tax.

Harry should be pick 15 or so in this draft. The fact that we’ve put a bit of polish on him & he’s had a ripping carnival shouldn’t change that.

Similar, arguably worse, story with Ison. He’s good - possibly great in the right environment. But, the likes of Toby Whan (Freo), Charlie Banfield (WCE), Louis Kellaway (Rich), Adam Sweid (Scum), big boy McCarthy (filth), or at least half of the other Brisbane & Gold Coast kids are at his level.

Thankfully, recruiters generally ignore the hype. That doesn’t stop the malicious bidders though.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Sidefx wrote:
What do you like about Cumming?


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17th Premiership
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 1:57 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
If all goes well I hope the following happens:
Pick #9 - Sam Grlj
Pick #11 - Harry Dean
Picks #43, #54 & #67 - Jack Ison

In a perfect world…

Sam Cumming
Harry Dean
Cameron Nairn
Jack Ison

In a less perfect world…

Harry Dean
Jack Ison
Two of Nairn, Rodriguez, Oudishoorn-Bennier, Driscoll, Holmes, Barker, Coulson, Addinsall, Prindable… or a tall, or a small…

What do you like about Cumming?

For me Grlj ran a 5:59 (4 sec slower than Hollands) 2km and also ran 2.926 20m sprint.
He'd be a gun HB, is from Vic and barracks for us.
He models his game on Butters and N Daicos.
I doubt he will slip back that far though, they are saying Richmond will most likely pick him up.
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-grlj/


Thanks to all who helped me understand the draft/bidding. :thumbsup:

Secondly, I would prefer we don’t pick Grlj… I’ve never seen him play but I can guarantee I will never pronounce his name correctly! I do like that he models his game on Butters and N Daicos. Of course, so do I but not sure I’ll get drafted. I’d much prefer it if he CAN PLAY like Butters and N Daicos! :lol:
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malbi
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 2:36 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
Humpers wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon**** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon**** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

Picks #27 and #30 wouldn't get enough points for Dean in 2025.
Last year it probably would have been OK but not anymore.

It is based on 27 & 30 becoming 25 & 26 and 6 being 9 so the earliest bid can be at 10.

#10 = 1276 * .9 = 1148
25 + 26 = 1151
Given you can't guarantee that Dean won't be in the first 9 picks then your theory doesn't work. We would then have to use picks 43 and 54 which would leave nothing for Ison or worse we go into deficit and make our task next year harder to get Cody.

We shouldn't be greedy. We don't know where Dean will be bid on. It most likely will be before our picks. If so then we match with 9 (which will be 12 after academies) and part of 11 (which will be 14 after academies) to get Dean. Our Pick 11 (which will be Pick 14) will slide down to around Pick 17 as it will lose some value. We will then have access to Greeves, Phillipou, Dovaston or Ludowyke.

We still end up with two top 20 players.

Ison will most likely be in the 30s. So we should be able to cover him with Picks 43 and 54 which will come in given the bid matching that Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and Essendon* will have to do.

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https://www.afl.com.au/news/1444419/how ... -afl-draft

Carlton will match an early bid on father-son prospect Harry Dean and is likely to use three live picks, with Next Generation Academy prospect Jack Ison also in its sights

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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malbi wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Humpers wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon***** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon***** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

Picks #27 and #30 wouldn't get enough points for Dean in 2025.
Last year it probably would have been OK but not anymore.

It is based on 27 & 30 becoming 25 & 26 and 6 being 9 so the earliest bid can be at 10.

#10 = 1276 * .9 = 1148
25 + 26 = 1151
Given you can't guarantee that Dean won't be in the first 9 picks then your theory doesn't work. We would then have to use picks 43 and 54 which would leave nothing for Ison or worse we go into deficit and make our task next year harder to get Cody.

We shouldn't be greedy. We don't know where Dean will be bid on. It most likely will be before our picks. If so then we match with 9 (which will be 12 after academies) and part of 11 (which will be 14 after academies) to get Dean. Our Pick 11 (which will be Pick 14) will slide down to around Pick 17 as it will lose some value. We will then have access to Greeves, Phillipou, Dovaston or Ludowyke.

We still end up with two top 20 players.

Ison will most likely be in the 30s. So we should be able to cover him with Picks 43 and 54 which will come in given the bid matching that Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and Essendon** will have to do.

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If the Academy picks go before Dean, does that push back his official pick number and therefore points? I understand the points reduce significantly from pick 8 to pick 11…?
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17th Premiership wrote:
malbi wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Humpers wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
So the best scenario it seems is if we get to the second Essendon****** pick currently #6 and someone we like is still available, we could live trade 9 & 11 for 6, 27, 30.
So we take the player at 6 and 27 + 30 is enough points for the earliest possible bid which is then at 7.
This takes into account that some picks in the teens and 20s are used for matching so 27 & 30 actually come in slightly.
Essendon****** could be ok with this having used 5 to then upgrade two second round picks.

Picks #27 and #30 wouldn't get enough points for Dean in 2025.
Last year it probably would have been OK but not anymore.

It is based on 27 & 30 becoming 25 & 26 and 6 being 9 so the earliest bid can be at 10.

#10 = 1276 * .9 = 1148
25 + 26 = 1151
Given you can't guarantee that Dean won't be in the first 9 picks then your theory doesn't work. We would then have to use picks 43 and 54 which would leave nothing for Ison or worse we go into deficit and make our task next year harder to get Cody.

We shouldn't be greedy. We don't know where Dean will be bid on. It most likely will be before our picks. If so then we match with 9 (which will be 12 after academies) and part of 11 (which will be 14 after academies) to get Dean. Our Pick 11 (which will be Pick 14) will slide down to around Pick 17 as it will lose some value. We will then have access to Greeves, Phillipou, Dovaston or Ludowyke.

We still end up with two top 20 players.

Ison will most likely be in the 30s. So we should be able to cover him with Picks 43 and 54 which will come in given the bid matching that Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and Essendon*** will have to do.

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If the Academy picks go before Dean, does that push back his official pick number and therefore points? I understand the points reduce significantly from pick 8 to pick 11…?
Yes. The points go back as well. So after the three expected academies are selected early our picks will go back to 12 and 14 and we will get the points from them to use. We will no longer have access to the points of 9 and 11.

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Effes wrote:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1444419/how-many-picks-your-club-is-set-to-use-at-the-2025-telstra-afl-draft

Carlton will match an early bid on father-son prospect Harry Dean and is likely to use three live picks, with Next Generation Academy prospect Jack Ison also in its sights

Sounds like good news for McGovern then.

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malbi wrote:
Yes. The points go back as well. So after the three expected academies are selected early our picks will go back to 12 and 14 and we will get the points from them to use. We will no longer have access to the points of 9 and 11.

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As it stands, picks #9 & #11 = pick #2 in value and if they move back 3 places, picks #12 & #14 = #3, so it actually works in our favour when the picks slide back.
And remember there is also a 10% discount on any bids on top of that.
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Sidefx wrote:
malbi wrote:
Yes. The points go back as well. So after the three expected academies are selected early our picks will go back to 12 and 14 and we will get the points from them to use. We will no longer have access to the points of 9 and 11.

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Sidefx wrote:
As it stands, picks #9 & #11 = pick #2 in value and if they move back 3 places, picks #12 & #14 = #3, so it actually works in our favour when the picks slide back.
And remember there is also a 10% discount on any bids on top of that.


I'm not sure what your point is. If we trade our two picks for Picks 2 or 3 and select say CDT we won't have enough points for Dean. All we'll have is picks 43 and 54 that will come in, but just enough to get Ison. Do the sums. Don't just make broad statements.

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malbi wrote:
I'm not sure what your point is. If we trade our two picks for Picks 2 or 3 and select say CDT we won't have enough points for Dean. All we'll have is picks 43 and 54 that will come in, but just enough to get Ison. Do the sums. Don't just make broad statements.

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