Braithy ~ Spot on.

Cripps is stagnant when he is not near the ball. When the ball goes past he stops to a walk.

People have rose coloured glasses when it comes to him.

We need Walsh, Cerra and youth through there. Lord and Co.. Rotate for right mix.

We need two way runners in the midfield.

Sounds like you're describing Curnow too.....maybe a common theme going on there?

Yes Curnow has been doing that this year. If we were coached correctly Curnow would have smalls at his feet so the big boy doesn’t need to run and they can swoop off him.

Forwards and midfields have different skill sets. Typically a big forward shouldn’t have to run and chase too much.

Midfielders do. Cripps’s disposal is poor, he hardly tackles and chases, and gets caught with the ball too often. Doesn’t use the right option, and often ignores the young ones when they are on their own.

Not very good for a captain is it?

And this cover mouth business talking from a captain is not on.

Agree or not. We don’t have the best leadership.

I'd like to know who we have to fit this mould.
We've tried Acres - Can't kick and too slow.
We've tried Ollie - No strength, can't kick and too slow.
We've tried Williams - No good on the inside and leaves a hole up forward.
We've tried Elijah - Goes ok but is better on the outside delivering into F50.
We've tried Cotters - No good on the inside, better on HFF.
We've tried Motlop - Too slow and no IQ.
We've tried Durdin - Can be great but goes missing and also leaves a hole up forward.
We've tried Doc - If he can get his game back on track then maybe...........but that is a huge maybe. Can't see it happening though.
We even tried Kemp against West Coast.

That leaves us with a midfield rotation of Walsh, Hewett, Cerra and Lord.
Some teams would say that is not enough mids, but not us.

Looking forwards hopefully Flynn is a good fit as a mid/forward and Ben Campo can step it up, but at the moment we bat very shallow in the middle.
And from all reports on here, the only other kid is Wilson but he is a long way off, possibly not on at all.
I thought Jacob Newton might have been a walk in for a mid/forward role but I trust we had our reasons for choosing Flynn over him.

I am expecting Wright to really have a crack at deepening the midfield at the end of the season or at least I really hope he does.
And if he does, we need mids that can go forward or back, not forwards or defenders that can go in the midfield.

Biggest problem is our midfield and delivery forward. Yes we have shit smalls but if we had better delivery we would be more efficient.

Midfield is the engine. Get that right and it will go a long way.

And our forwards will be exhausted with our delivery. How deflated you would be being a carlton forward.

Teams have shitter forwards than us but perform better with good midfields.

We turn footy into rocket science where it shouldn’t be.

I couldn't agree more, as you know I have been saying for years, ad nauseam.

Our engine room and wings have been great at contested work but skills, smarts and speed have been lacking.
It'll only take a couple of good trades and it can be bolstered back up there, the beauty is there are plenty of good mids out there wanting to move.
We just have to do it.

I agree. we need to have more players run through the midfield group. That should come from our small medium forwards.

But there you go again Sidey. You really like staining Ollies reputation. I don't get it.
I hope posters don't believe your ultra low opinion of Ollie.

He's not slow either, and he's a measured kick, not a shit kick.
There aren't that many elite kicks in the comp, like Houston.
Not sure what you're expecting from 20yo Ollie. Ollie does do his share for the team. He's not a problem as you make out.

Have a guess why Vossy throws him around from wing to HB to HF? To give us run!!!!

Everyone in the industry knows Hollands is our best 2 way runner in the team.
Its a given in the media. He's our huge engine that gets up and back the ground, with a defensive mindset.
He has showed that ever since his first AFL game, when he got back to defense and fearlessly spoilt a mark, and several occassions.
The wing is effectively part of the midfield engine.

I bet Wright doesn't trade out Ollie because he is slow, or light, or gutless, or whatever you think of him, and Ollie will continue to be part of our best 23 next year.
Easy money.

As for Doc, its been agreed and made public that Voss and Doc agreed he needed to be settled in one position in the backline.

Also I don't agree with your summary of Durdin. He leaves a hole because his coach wants him filling holes in the backline. That's not on Durdin, that's on Voss. Disagree on your opinion on Elijah too.

Every time Williams has gone into the midfield this year (*ot much but) he's been good, and shown defensive side of the game whilst there. His problem is he can't stay on the park, not that he's not a two way runner.

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Yep - Sidey is Voss. No doubt - it's everyone else's fault.

One day you'll catch on Bondi, there are a lot of us out there that don't rate him as much as you and others do (and in the media also).
Ollie has great heart, commitment and runs hard.
I doubt many will deny that but, absolutely no point if you are not damaging, getting brushed off in tackles and failing to hit targets more than you hit them.
And as for speed, you might want to take the blinkers off, he gets run down as much as Motlop and as hard as he tries can't catch a lot of opposition players either.

I doubt Ollie will be moved on at the end of the year also, but if we start to add more speed and skill, the pressure will be on for positions.
The game is evolving and the Kade Simpson type players are becoming less and less required IMO.
I think his best position is as a hard running defender, not a midfielder, not a wing and certainly not a forward.
But he needs to put some kgs on if he is going to hold down that role effectively, like Newman.
Plus the kids coming through now are fast and can run both ways all day, the game and players are evolving quicker than most think.

Doc has attended the centre this year, he's either too slow or not up to it.
If he has been moved back then so be it, still not available to rotate in the centre either way.
Durdin is our most dangerous small forward, having him in the middle is not ideal, being put in defence says something about our small defenders speed and tackling skills, right?
Elijah is best used on the HFF or wing, but let's be honest he needs to get on the park first.
I never said Williams wasn't a 2 way runner, you're making stuff up now.
Like Elijah, I think he better on the outside.
While they both have speed, they also need the power to stop and push past some of the most damaging mids.

We will have to agree to disagree on this, I'm just calling it as I see it, the same way I have for several years.
The worst part is have been watching other teams address issues the same as ours, but instead we fall in love with our players too much and over value them.
Let's wait and see at the end of the year how Wright views our team and the changes he's willing to make.
From all media reports, it's going to be bigger than some may expect.

I'm just pointing out the obvious, same as I did when Bolton was at the club.
And while the end result inevitably lies on the coach, it isn't always the coach.
You can't spit polish a turd and unless we stop overvaluing the players, changing head coaches like hot dinners and blaming the board at every turn, we will be in the same position again and again for another 20+ years, if we still exist by then.
Agree or disagree, that is up to you.

Good to see Voss is taking it seriously on holidays in Fiji, rather than taking advantage of the bye round and working extra with the team on getting the season turned around. Do something with the team you spud. Not even here to meet our new recruit. What a joke

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ollie is only 21. probably playing a much more meaningful role than he's ready for tbf - but that's on the list manager mroe than ollie ... by the time he's 26 he'll be the in the best 5 wingers in the game. running like bradley thru the guts.

wild!

Yeah Sidey , you can't make strawberry jam out of cow shit .

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Where was this mentioned?

So how many rebuilds, list changes have we made? How many top 10 picks can a team have before you start to understand where the problem is?

Oh I do.
It's the impatience of the supporters and at times the club.
And as a result we have been in an endless loop of change, time for some stability, building and incremental adjustments until we get it right don't you think?
If Voss has proved anything it's not wholesale chop and changes and while it is not working at the moment, it is something we haven't done.
If we added several more senior players last draft to fill our needs rather than more kids, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

We can all live in hope I guess.
But with the game going the way it is, I can't see it.
A rule change to slow the game down would help a lot of our players, especially gut running players like Ollie.
i.e. Capping the rotations more would help a lot.

But to set things straight, I haven't written him off as a players, he's only 21 and has more guts than most on our team.
I'm just pointing out his weaknesses as a player/athlete, which he is one of many on our team.
And watching the Pies last night hit target after target, it gets testing at times to watch our kids and senior players continually butcher the ball, our lack of leg speed and our continual bombing into the F50 to packs expecting a different outcome.

This all assumes that Voss is capable. He’s shown nothing in his time at Carlton that suggests he’ll make it.
I’ve asked a couple of times, what attributes does he have that makes people think he’s good enough?

Hang on. Wasn’t the list depth (Kennedy, Owies, Martin, Marchbank, etc.) delisted last year to refresh the list with youth?
The thought was we had enough depth but now needed to refresh from bottom up as a next batch?
You can’t have it both ways to suit an argument. It was a plan and everyone wanted and felt we needed.

It’s like next year if we trade Harry, Walsh and lose TdK, like everyone has as a XMas list, we say we still expect to play finals and be a contender………