How about Pick 12 and Motlop for Houston?

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Jagga

Careful, you'll summon Braithy.

We could always trade Harry and Charlie for 5-6 first round picks, then go to the draft for a bunch of speedy and skilful, HBF, mids and small forwards.

If we could have any trade outcome from here, what do we prefer of the three most likely scenarios?
1) Take 12 & 14 to the draft
2) Get Houston and take one of 12 or 14 to the draft (and let’s be honest, in this scenario, we will end up trading 12 and keeping 14)
3) Upgrade 12 and 14 to a top 5 pick?


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You already listed them in the order that I'd prefer, and I'd really NOT prefer option 3

We win.

Keep pick 12 and offer 14 to Port and given them a fringe player for as we need the list spots.
Take 12 and 14 to the draft and get the campos. And sign DGB as a free agent
Or trade both picks for a top 5 and get a 2nd of 3rd back to help with points.

2 or 3, honestly I'd be fine with either.

1 is OK in principle but not going to happen given the shortage of list spots and because we're in the window.

edit: by top 5, I assume you mean pick #3. Points value of 12+14 is already 200 more than #3, any lower than #3 and we are getting absolutely reamed so there'd have to be something else worthwhile coming back

What’s the sudden obsession with Grainger-Barras?

Is it because he was a high draft pick (in a year where 85% of the pool were locked inside)?

Or, is it because he’s got ‘upside’ (since he’s already had a career’s worth of goals kicked on him, there couldn’t possibly be any more coming)?

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Sit on the other side of the table for a second. Would you move back a dozen spots in this draft for 200 points?

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

I don't understand the question. We'd be giving WCE two picks in the first round of a quality draft to facilitate their rebuild. Or we use them ourselves. No need to pay overs - which would be doing to the tune of 400 points (pick 42) or 600 points (pick 31) if we traded up to #4 or #5 respectively. Those would be stupid moves.

We gave up around 400pts for pick 14.

Edit: I forgot that 2025 points are different to this years.
2024
Pick 14 = 1161

2025
(Finish 3rd)
Pick 16 = 924
Pick 34 = 360
Total = 1284

(Finish 1st)
Pick 16 = 836
Pick 34 = 317
Total = 1153

It was worth paying overs to get us into this position because now we have leverage in various scenarios. No need to continue doing so for a move that offers mutual benefit - also worth remembering WCE could use #14 for Liam Baker.

I don't have an issue with it.
However, I'd prefer to give pick 12 and Owies/player to Port for Houston or take 2 picks in the draft.
Not sure how much better a pick #3 mid will be than either 12 or 14 in this draft.

As I said before, I think we have been playing chess with Port since day 1.
Houston has always been our target, the rest is to make them think he isn't.
Fingers crossed we can get him and keep pick 14.

All I see is Hawk fans saying how crap he is

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#DonTheStash

With DGB. If he is cheap, then its no risk high reward.

You just never know. Thats where i sit. We need some talls to develop and he has had a few years now.

Give him 1 year like we did with Haines.

In this scenario, we want to move up more than than they want to move down.

There has to be a cost for that. Have a look at the Scum-Dees trade.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Every assessment I've seen of Grainger Barras points to him being a dud.
So now all of a sudden he's not ?????

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Someone on BF reckons they spoke to someone that would know that Houston to Collingwood is done.

Excellent news if true. Keep the cap space free, pick two high-impact kids in a deep draft. Only player I'd spend one of those picks on now is SdK if that were any possibility.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Dan stays at port ,we go to the draft with p12/14 as we have many gaps to fill 1player doesn't cut it (judd) and DGB no thanks 4 yrs in system and struggling to stay on a young list ,sounds like 1 of our early sos draft picks.