leadership has nothing to do with output or fantasy points or possessions.

watch him play. he's always barking orders and pointing and dragging players away from charlie or H, bcos our players are too silly to do it themselves.

call it leadership or guidance or onfield coaching, whatever. but it's leadership.

Can't agree that the father son rule is unfair

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Stop moaning every year in every thread that it’s factors outside our own doing holding us back.
Brisbane were 5th after the minor round and should have lost 2 of their finals. They are not some AFL manipulated freak show that have been gifted the next 5 flags. Sydney and GWS have won just one between them in 20 years.

Hawthorn, WB, Melbourne, Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood have all won the majority of the last 15 years of flags with zero academy assistance and the occasional father/son.
We’ve used #3 on Dow, #5 on SPS, #10 on LOB, #11 on Kemp/Philp, as well as late 1st/early seconds on Marchbank, Stocker, Cuningham, Fisher, Setterfield who have all left the club.
Then there has been some recent FA and trades in Cerra and Williams that have yet to work out as hoped.

Not withstanding all the other factors - High performance, development, coaching, culture, leadership etc that make up all the layers of a Premierhsip side.

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Couldn’t agree more. We only have ourselves to blame.

Have had ample opportunity to make real progress and we have fluffed it again.

It boggles my mind that we had early draft picks to build a great midfield and could only nail Cripps and Walsh. The foundation of our rebuild was to be the draft and we failed.

Instead we have relied on mediocre top ups.

When was the last time we developed a great player from a later pick in the draft. I can’t recall. It’s been a long time.

Ultimately we are an average club and have made little progress over the last 25 years.

It hurts... but it's hard to argue

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like i have said in past, recruiting manager is the most important person at a club and sos FAILED big time ,all those bad selections has set our club behind ,Dow sps,lob,philip,and all those GWS PAYERS .Hopefully Austin can land some gems.

Ashcroft Fletcher Lohmann Morris ............ I think Lohmann is the oldest of that lot and he is 21 .

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Lohmann... Build that man a temple.

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Congratulations CK95

Agree with all about our drafting. We just don't seem to be able to find gems anywhere. Rd 1 most clubs are pretty equal. It's the latter rds where you make a difference.
Whilst I'd love Houston, we need to draft one not trade multiple draft picks for one.

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TDK and Cowan were pick #30 and hopefully Moir (pick #29) fulfills his potential - but yes we needed at least a couple of SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Setterfield or Stocker to work out for us. However if they were all guns then we wouldn't be able to fit them under the salary cap.

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There is no footy god

carazzo (rookie) and thornton are the only oes that i can think of

over 10 years ago

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my last one was rubbish

Eddie Betts.

Do Cincotta and Boyd count?

Not quite champions. Decent picks but that should be our baseline.

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Congratulations CK95

Yes but even they stand out - shows how slim our pickings have been!

Wow.. you make some good points.
However, Ashcroft is not a gamble or an undisclosed asset.
We all know the superstar he is going to be.

I get that a large percentage of recruiting is a gamble.
How many great players have been recruited in the draft between 20-29 for example..
Yet the Ashcrofts are in another league.
They guarantee success.
You build a team around them.
Just get rid of the father-son. It isn’t “romantic” for teams on the receiving end of Brisbane wins.
I flew up to Carlton vs Brisbane final.
It was 60 to nil.
It wasn’t “romantic “ or fun.

Re; the Padddy Dow pick at 3.
For every first round miss, sometimes you hit it out of the park in the 2nd Round or in a trade.. eg Blake Acres.

That draft year 2017 for first rounders wasn’t exactly all great players after pick 3.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_AFL_draft

Naughton pick 9 ok
Zac Bailey 15 good
Starcevich 18 good
Ed Richards good

A lot of duds or less successful players in between.
Stephenson Collingwood
Cerra Fremantle
Bonar GWS
You had a 50/50 chance of getting a decent player 1st round that draft.

The father-son however .. there are a lot of generational players being picked there..
Daicos, Ashcroft etc.

Jamieson was a rookie too.

Straight from Ballarat seniors....not VFL, not WAFL, not SAFL.......theses gems are out there.

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Ed Curnow?

There was a period there we only had success from our rookies till we struck gold with Cripps.

The point about SOS the list manager is after his 2015 haul of Weiters and Harry in Top 10 picks and Charlie at pick 12, where he had success with his first round picks to build our spine, is how many first rounders he wasted on failed midfielders. Its quite embarrassing imo.

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