99prelim wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
i hope we keep voss - he's a lock to stay for 2025, but he's in the hot seat.
Feel the same. I think it's pretty important that we don't overreact to the loss, & I don't think we will.
We won't sack Voss and I don't want to sack Voss...however my optics and my hearing of supporters and the media tell me very strongly that Voss needs to take significant blame, not necessarily for the loss, as we were underdogs, but the manner in which we lost and whether more conventional* decisions should've been made by our coaches
* I've used the word 'conventional' to soften the language.
My personal opinion was that decisions made were bordering on reckless and mind-boggling, with the idea of "nothing to lose" creepng closer to russian roulette
PS. I read somewhere that Zorko got 10 coaches votes?
I wouldn't say all the decisions were conventional, reckless or mind boggling. I think they can be explained by something many people on TC boards have complained about for the last two seasons under Voss. Selection of players on reputation not form. i.e. wishful thinking at the match selection table.
For example imagine this convo:
PV “I want to play an x-factor small forward to keep their [elite running back play makers like Zorko] on the chain minding our x-factor forward”,
“yeah Motlop can kick 3 goals in ten minutes and four in a game,. that would give them something to think about" says the Voss Sycophant
"we all know his form is down and rarely if ever chases down his opponent at speed” says the older head
PV “we cant fall into the trap of thinking too negative, we need to bring our strengths and weapons to the game to, our contest and our threats" (I heard this in every pre-game presser this season, win or lose the eventual game same rhetoric was always a constant)
"ok that means we drop need to drop Cinc" says Voss sycophant / defensive coach.
And so the one thing everybody here feared most then transpired… Zorko sinks our battleships with direct hits every time he gets near the ball. Then we gave up Ollie as a play maker (and seemed like he was going head to head with Lachie Neale at times who ended up sixth of the Lions in AF points) to quell Zorko (2nd in AF points) after the damage was already done and dusted.
playing Docherty was all romance and hype over what wiser minds would have counselled. We missed Doc's on field skill and leadership, but other than a junk time goal in the third, he didn't have much obvious impact (who did given a 0 0 0 score two minutes before half time?). flowering marketing dept selection not football heads knowing what's tried and true in selection.
Also noticed some 20 20 hindsight in other comments, calling out all the inclusions and then complaining TDK wasn't in the starting 22. That to me the TDK call was (obviously) logically correct.
If TDK literally would be dead on his feet after two or three quarters, starting him would have been the inferior choice to starting him as sub. Because if we did have to sub out due to injury (not as an SOS call which in truth it was) we need to give him the best chance of making it through as much of the game able to play an effective role.
hindsight comments may be limited to either don't pick TDK until he's played match-simulation lasting a full game or pick him as sub. there was no option to start him because it forfeits the sub for an injured player (other than if he was the injured player).
H had to come in if fit due to lack of talls and lack of a credible small forward alternative scenario to kick a score to beat one of the best scoring teams in AFL.
Cerra was mhhh. competely underdone as we all expected. I would have preferred Carol or Lord included for Cerra tbh. Hope he bounces back in 2025, potentially he's a starting midfield taking us deep into finals next year if we sort out other stuff like injuries and a game plan that not only works in finals, but allows players to endure 24 rounds of H & A with coping injuries to 2/3 of the list.
can't even remember the rest of the INs for the EF. Never expected a win, Brisbane showed with their best play how good they can be and with their fumbles and behinds how gettable they are (to use Braithy's term) if you rattle their confidence for a while winning momentum.
Anyhow, Voss became a better at media communications over the last year, less cliché and less obviously defensive after losses — but still too repetitive and transparently attempting to conceal info at times. Needs to get a new defensive coach in my opinion. and more ideas around season overall strategy — we can't play like it's a GF every week for 24 rounds and have players available. The good teams have worked this out.
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