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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 8:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:22 pm 
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Watched both press conferences. Ross sooked and make excuses about how injuries derailed their season. Voss who had every right to whinge about injuries, refused to go there again.
One is a leader and the other has moulded into the Saints culture perfectly.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:33 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:56 pm 
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With Freo losing to Port, all we had to do was make sure we got within 160 points of St Kilda to hold our spot in the 8.

Thought Voss coached well

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:24 pm 
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With Freo losing to Port, all we had to do was make sure we got within 160 points of St Kilda to hold our spot in the 8.

Thought Voss coached well


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:36 am 
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Watched both press conferences. Ross sooked and make excuses about how injuries derailed their season. Voss who had every right to whinge about injuries, refused to go there again.
One is a leader and the other has moulded into the Saints culture perfectly.



voss is many great things. a leader, a motivator, honest, creates the kind of culture & accountability you want in your club.

he's not a tactician, you can argue he doesn't give the kids a go/ plays favourites, he's not even reactive as a coach, he's passive - the other coach moves a magnet/ makes a move, and voss just watches it sink us. his coaching is death by a thousand cuts.


i don't think he should go anywhere, he should be the face of our coaching, but we're crying out for a tactically accountable number 2. someone who's happy not being the face and doing the media, and someone who voss can defer to, while he patrols the sidelines on gameday.

someone in the mould of choco williams or blake caracella is what i'm thinking.

but definitely not ash f'kin hansen just bcos he's a "good guy".

coaching, team selections & obviously high performance has been an achilles this year, and tbh, i can't see this coaching staff winning a flag.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:53 am 
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Watched both press conferences. Ross sooked and make excuses about how injuries derailed their season. Voss who had every right to whinge about injuries, refused to go there again.
One is a leader and the other has moulded into the Saints culture perfectly.
Ross is a monotone, miserable flog whose non-scoring game plan is exactly what St Kilda deserves.
So glad he didn't land here.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:00 am 
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someone in the mould of choco williams or blake caracella is what i'm thinking.


Williams was finished years ago. He doesn't have a meaningful role at Melbourne.
I think we sometimes overstate the value of other coaching groups and undervalue ours. I've watched our coaches move players many times to create mismatches or to counter strategies. It's more our set play defensive strategies that have cost us IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:04 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Watched both press conferences. Ross sooked and make excuses about how injuries derailed their season. Voss who had every right to whinge about injuries, refused to go there again.
One is a leader and the other has moulded into the Saints culture perfectly.
Ross is a monotone, miserable flog whose non-scoring game plan is exactly what St Kilda deserves.
So glad he didn't land here.
As an aside, St Kilda vastly underperformed this year and yet they seemed to escape any sort of heat. Winning their last 2 against Geelong who zoned out and Carlton's VFL team doesn't really count.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:15 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
someone in the mould of choco williams or blake caracella is what i'm thinking.


Williams was finished years ago. He doesn't have a meaningful role at Melbourne.


in the mould of choc williams, but not him per say.

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I think we sometimes overstate the value of other coaching groups and undervalue ours. I've watched our coaches move players many times to create mismatches or to counter strategies. Can you give examples of opposition coaches beating us by moving the magnets


throughout the season? sheesh, it's happened a dozen or more times. putting me on the spot here, but off the top of my head.

the cats loss stands out. they sent an extra defender goalside to every single stoppage after qtr time, they would simply wait for us to win the clearance and then close down the play as we attempted to exit the stoppage. turnover, and then give up a scoring opportunity.

watching gws after qtr time lift their intensity and send an extra player to the stoppage to take that clearance game away from us. we needed to send a player to their player to match the intensity, rather than watch a 40 point lead slowly erode.

the whole letting bailey dale crucify us Vs the dogs, and not sending a hard tag to him was hard to watch.

the port game really hurt too. up by 30 points in the 2nd qtr, and to only score 1 more goal in the entire 2nd half, while voss and Co kept their hands in their pockets and tried nothing. Nothing! it was hard to stomach and still makes me mad when i think about the passiveness of us lol

the amount of times our defensive stoppage has cost a game? the pies and daicos goal, while cerra and walsh looked at each other. the amount of times saad's direct opponent has gotten out and goaled from stoppage.

i have a problem in general with our man-matchups. when something isn't working or a key player is getting tagged out of a game, why we don't have measures to set them free/ change our look. send cripps or walsh forward/ back etc get charlie out of the goal square and drop harry back into the hole etc

the list goes on and on mate ... but you know this.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:05 pm 
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The Dale match up was frustrating but I believe our coaches have implemented strategies that have won/saved us games. Charlie going behind the ball has won us a couple of games. Cincotta tagging has gone a way toward wins. Defensive role on Jeremy McGovern last week was effective. Fogarty as a defensive forward worked beautifully for us.

The Geelong game you mention wasn't won by them having an extra at the stoppage. We had 21 more inside 50's so we had more than enough ball coming from stoppages. We won centre clearances and stoppage clearances. Our issue was converting when we had momentum. 2.8 in the first quarter when we dominated was the problem which has cost us numerous games.

I just believe moves occur during games that we perhaps take for granted or don't appreciate.
Yesterday St Kilda had Mason Wood at half forward and moved him onto Binns on the wing. Carlton countered by moving Acres to him to match him for size. Later in the game Acres came from the bench and instead of going to the wing took a match up at half forward where he had a height advantage and immediately kicked a goal. They're the moves that we would highlight if it was the opposition but we don't analyse because it's Carlton.

As I said in my post, our issue is set plays. Defensive stoppages have cost us at least 3 games. They're the killer. Even with a horrific injury list, had we not given away those games, we'd be easy top 4. So I don't believe it is in game strategy that is the major problem but more defensive stoppage craft.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:31 pm 
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thats the thing about the cats game that baffled me. they gave us the clearance. but would close down the options all around it as we exited; close us down, take the ball back and rebound hard - knowing we're vulnerable bcos of that high press we do. meanwhile hawkins is giving weiters a tour of the boundary line and away from impacting play.

so, there were a few things going on in that game where i felt like our coaches were playing checkers and C. scott was playing chess.

i agree with everything else you said though. there is lots they do do that sneaks under the radar and should be acknowledged.

are you happy with our coaching? what changes (if any) would you like to see?


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Don't have full details or can 100% confirm but word is Vossy chased down two kids in stolen car that hit roundabout and flipped..

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God, I hope the kid was a Collingwood feral :grin:

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God, I hope the kid was a Collingwood feral :grin:



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:20 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The Dale match up was frustrating but I believe our coaches have implemented strategies that have won/saved us games. Charlie going behind the ball has won us a couple of games. Cincotta tagging has gone a way toward wins. Defensive role on Jeremy McGovern last week was effective. Fogarty as a defensive forward worked beautifully for us.

The Geelong game you mention wasn't won by them having an extra at the stoppage. We had 21 more inside 50's so we had more than enough ball coming from stoppages. We won centre clearances and stoppage clearances. Our issue was converting when we had momentum. 2.8 in the first quarter when we dominated was the problem which has cost us numerous games.

I just believe moves occur during games that we perhaps take for granted or don't appreciate.
Yesterday St Kilda had Mason Wood at half forward and moved him onto Binns on the wing. Carlton countered by moving Acres to him to match him for size. Later in the game Acres came from the bench and instead of going to the wing took a match up at half forward where he had a height advantage and immediately kicked a goal. They're the moves that we would highlight if it was the opposition but we don't analyse because it's Carlton.

As I said in my post, our issue is set plays. Defensive stoppages have cost us at least 3 games. They're the killer. Even with a horrific injury list, had we not given away those games, we'd be easy top 4. So I don't believe it is in game strategy that is the major problem but more defensive stoppage craft.


Very good BV . This gameplan stuff is pretty complex and intricate . I mean , since Voss walked into the joint he has been severely restricted with player availability . And not just also rans but top liners . And how many times has Voss conjured impossible victories against all odds with patched up sides ? reckon Voss's good moments far outweigh his bad moments . Far more pluss's than minus's . I"m backin" him in .

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:11 pm 
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God, I hope the kid was a Collingwood feral :grin:


The one who got away is described as wearing a black and white scarf - Vossy probably just saw that and WENT!


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