I don't touch phones. Dangerous things. I know the damage they do.
I only have one in my pocket for the vibration feature.
Thats why I constantly get a rise in the Levis, and why I dont answer my phone.

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If winning at clearances is the aim, surely having Sir George Hewett in the team is required.

He gives you that extra midfield option, extra muscle, extra rotation. It is too early to bring Hollands in there than for more than small stints. He doesn't have the years and years of experience yet.

Hewett -vs Brisbane Rd 1 - 27 possessions,
Hewett - vs GWS Rd Rd 7 - 31 possessions..
etc.
You can look up the rest of his stats. He gets his hands dirty.

Owies or Orazia...I think this match proves it has to be Owies. Orazia just doesn't do the inner pack work that is required from time to time. Owies bleeds for the team.
Maybe Orazia can still squeeze in the team Sub..or something, but not in front of Owies.

Carlton lost this match at the selection table.

I think we all aged about 10 years after that second quarter.....

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Fair.

I reckon we were arrogant at selection. Cottrell also.

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Not sure which game you were watching but Kemp had Hogan from the first bounce. Abysmal decision by the MC that cost us badly.
Weitering played on Riccardi and Cadman who dragged Weitering away from Hogan and isolated Kemp beautifully.

Lots of talk about 1 ruck but Iet's be honest, when we've played 1 ruck this year, we've won 9 out of 10 games. When we've played 2 rucks we've won 2 out of 6 games. I wouldn't be wetting the bed just yet. The odds of success are still massively in favour of 1 ruck.

As for scoring from stoppage, have a deeper look at the numbers. We actually won more stoppages than GWS but it was the outcome that went in their favour. Their key forwards stood under the high ball and marked it too easily. They weren't being laced out. We scored more from centre bounce than they did but it was Hogan that was the difference. We had a total of 8 marks inside 50 for the match. Hogan had 6 himself.
The majority of our score originated from the defensive half where the majority of theirs came from the forward half. They weren't lacing Hogan out from centre bounces on the lead. He was standing and taking pack marks unhindered because Kemp doesn't have the size, strength or nous to impeded his positioning.

As for TDK, I wouldn't be placing the blame on him. Apart from Cripps, our mids were very disappointing. Numerous times I watched Hollands and Cerra peel off Coniglio at stoppages and let him win the ball unimpeded. Walsh was well below his best. Firstly unable to shake the tag of Bedford and when Bedford went to Cripps, Walsh was monstered by Green.
TDK was still the 2nd highest rated player on the ground. 24 possessions, 16 contested, equal game high 11 clearances, equal 2nd most ground ball gets for Carlton. Briggs had more hitouts but didn't have any more score involvements than Tom.

The 2 ruck argument is a furphy IMHO. It's round 17 and we just lost our first game for the year when playing 1 ruck! Our first loss! To a team that played with 1 ruck.
The Hogan match up cost us the game. It was terrible planning and even worse, we did nothing to change it. Just my opinion.

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I agree. It could have appeared to the GWS as arrogant - the selections. Tom Green is a tough midfielder, he would have been perfect for Hewett. Frees up Cripps to do more.

Loading up on half forward flankers/wingers. They were basically saying "we can take on your midfielders one player down." That was the impression I got. Cerra only 2nd match back and Cotterell - too many players needing time to get up to speed. Cerra was average last week too (first week back) so I guess they were expecting marked improvement?

Owies looked piss##ed that he was the sub. He has the eye of the tiger that guy. Not sure if he does enough but he is better than most.

We wont go into a GF with one ruck....imo

Lets remember what we are saying here.
One ruck is either TDK or Pitto
We wont play without TDK.
TDK is a dangerous Fwd ruck if Pitto was preferred as the ruck.

TDK stretches backlines and takes a tall defender away from Harry and Charlie.
Not only that, we dont lose Harry in the ruck and Harry or Charlie can swap roaming outside of 50 taking their man away from double teaming Charlie as well a link up mark ... without having to defend against the oppo ruckman.....ditto TDK...he can take away another tall....charlie has all the space to lead and jump...instead of this stupid bodying tactic against heavier opponents. in Top 8 teams...imo

Have a look at the Top 8 now.
If one believes in "Horses for Courses"
Which team will TDK be sole ruck against?

McStay is back for Pies soon ie Cameron Cox are back
Freo Darcy Jackson
bla bla bla

I don't think Vossy can bank on TDK having a purple patch, and after last night and the fatigue and soreness which followed with TDK playing 80% ruck in his best game against Geelong, he couldn't back it up the next week....who knows if he will or wont be purple week in week out from next week through to the GF? Its a huge risk, then there's injury risk during the game. He wasn't purple imo last night.

People can have their preferences, but they shouldn't believe TDK as the sole ruck is the only way we can win, nor should they believe there's no way Vossy will go with 2 rucks.

We will see.

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Wow, no wonder we got absolutely pantsed in the middle 2 quarters. Our pressure rating was 50+ behind that of GWS.

Completely agree. Can understand the coaching panel trying something. But why O why did they persist with it, since Hogan was doing so much damage?

I find it difficult to type on phones

I use AI in my converted Walky Talky I bought in the 80's.

It reads my mind. That's where the speed comes from.

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Which end is the mouthpiece?

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That's the killer. The best pressure team in the AFL were served a bit of their own medicine.
The positive is, we lost by 2 goals and we know if we bring the heat, we shouldn't be beaten. That's huge bonus.
If you know you are almost unbeatable if you play at your best, everything is in your control.

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You left out 2017/2020 in your stats.
Richmond
Nankervis 25 hit outs...only real ruckman= 2020 GF.

Maybe Carlton structures up better with one ruckman (considering win/loss)
Carlton won in 1987 and 1995 with one real ruckman. It can occur.

It is a work in progress. For some reason the wins flow more naturally with one ruckman and maybe it is a speed factor. There is extra pace around the ground with that option for a runner. Pittonet seems to me to jog aimlessly after the ruck contest. Could be just an impression. He may well make the structure better Rd 20-23... never know.

It is a 50/50 thing for me though.

Also, don't assume Carlton will make the GF. Any team in the top 4 can make it. Stay hungry. No complacency. Plenty of examples of teams expecting to sail into gf and didn't do it. Preliminary finals are a battle royale no matter who is in it.

Performance was so bad it killed TC.

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Thanks for the analysis BV. Looks like you are in good form!!

As usual BV is full of crap.
Hogan spent 60 % of the first quarter in the defensive part of the ground.
When he left the forward 50 Kemp went with him and Weiters stayed back.
In the 2nd quarter Weiters was off for all bar the last 2 minutes. The 3rd quarter Weiters was on one leg.
1st and 2nd quarters from Hogan
Yes I want my best KPD chasing his opponent into the back half of the ground.
Notice how deep Hogan positions himself when Weiters was off

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Typical Syd deflection. Show's us where Hogan is but doesn't offer one instance of Weitering playing on him.
Watch the replay. I can demonstrate a dozen instances where Kemp is playing on him. Both inside 50 and outside. Can you provide any of Weitering playing on him? Any at all?

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.... jeez mate you're really slow. or you just don't read. it's not so much the 2 rucks that's the problem, it's the 3 key forwards we're left with up front. too tall, slow and not enough defensive pressure.

pies and dees didnt have two big key forwards who do not much else like we do. when we go two rucks, we have 3 key forwards, and that's too many. do you just not remember how slow we move the ball into our F50, with 3 key forwards? and then, how quickly the ball rebounds out, back the other way for a score??

it's why our win/loss record with 2 rucks/ 3 key forwards is so poor. we're not troubling anyone in september with that set up. harry needs to toughen up and start playing like a ruck when he's in the middle. if he applied himself like jack, we wouldn't be having this tiresome convo. also, if chalrie could run and pursue and maybe lay a tackle every now and then, that'd be great too. but he doesn't ...


and the cats, with biclavs are a massive outlier bcos that guy moves better in traffic than hewett, kennedy and cripps all put together, and runs faster than walsh.

I'm with you on the winning the flag thought. So much so i have spent the equivalent of a European holiday to buy tickets to the GF through AFL events for myself and the family. I figure it we don't make it, we will still have a great day out, stress free. Win /Win other than the ridiculous cost.

We are based in Sydney. Live in the inner west, mold free. Three kids. Little guy is 6 years old, plays Auskick under the father son rule at Wests magpies.
The two girls are 9 and 11. They are walking footy encyclopedias. Next time we are playing locally i will look you and team clowns up.

I totally agree with you about the swans games. I grew up in Sydney so have been to many swans games over the years. Fortunately I got to spend 5 or 6 years in Melbourne when Kouta was up and about dominating the league so I got to really enjoy the taste of a footy at PP and the G. I want my kids to have that experience as it wont be something they forget in a hurry.

Don't be too harsh. He's had to wait until Round 17 for us to have a loss with one ruckman, to throw out the 2 ruck scenario. It's a bloody long time to wait, sitting by the computer.

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