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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:18 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan


You don't change something that is working perfectly to fix something else that isn't.


So the Pitto, TDK, Curnow, Harry set up is working perfectly?

Lucky for us Charlie decided to break character during the dying minutes against GC



Interesting analysis that one.
The Pitto, TDK, Harry set up isn't working perfectly. Most people would have understood that is what most of the debate is about.
But changing the one thing that is working perfectly (Charlie) to fix it is foolish. Out of the 4 components you mentioned, you want to move the one component that is actually functioning well.

Oh and Charlie didn't break character. It was part of his role to push back if required. Voss said they'd trained it. It's the evolution of his role and our structure. Contrary to what some posters try to tell you, Charlie plays up the ground every game. In fact, he takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
99prelim wrote:
I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan


You don't change something that is working perfectly to fix something else that isn't.


So the Pitto, TDK, Curnow, Harry set up is working perfectly?

Lucky for us Charlie decided to break character during the dying minutes against GC



Interesting analysis that one.
The Pitto, TDK, Harry set up isn't working perfectly. Most people would have understood that is what most of the debate is about.
But changing the one thing that is working perfectly (Charlie) to fix it is foolish. Out of the 4 components you mentioned, you want to move the one component that is actually functioning well.

Oh and Charlie didn't break character. It was part of his role to push back if required. Voss said they'd trained it. It's the evolution of his role and our structure. Contrary to what some posters try to tell you, Charlie plays up the ground every game. In fact, he takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does.


But why would his role need to evolve if it's functioning well?

Oh...and just to be clear, I didn't say I wanted Charlie to become a winger. I just said that as part of the rotations involving the other 3, he is the best at roaming the wings for short burts

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:58 pm 
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I have the jitters about this match. Would have felt a lot more comfortable playing the Dogs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:38 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Oh...and just to be clear, I didn't say I wanted Charlie to become a winger. I just said that as part of the rotations involving the other 3, he is the best at roaming the wings for short burts


I understand that. And I agree he's best equipped to play wing. He's probably best equipped to play just about anywhere.
But I disagree that he should. Just because Pitto is one dimensional and Harry doesn't have the commitment to compete in the ruck doesn't mean we take the AFL's best key forward away from his best role, to compensate for the inadequacies of the others.
Harry has the athleticism and ability to be a quality back up ruck. IMHO he just chooses not to commit to the change of role. Getting Charlie to make up for it is counterproductive.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:21 am 
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Braithy wrote:
i read where H left halfway thru training today. being managed etc

I was there yesterday.
I actually didn't notice that he wasn't there for the second half.
He did all the training that I saw and was in the early part of match.
I didn't see Dow at all.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:46 pm 
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Talk yesterday is Jack could be available. Knee has settled well and no pain. Ran strongly

With Harry TDK Pittonet Jack Kennedy Acres Docherty Cripps Motlop all looking like being available selection is going to be interesting. I am sure there will be a lot of debate amongst the coaching staff about which way to go

I have no idea but very happy with have a mostly healthy list to choose from


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:53 pm 
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Talk yesterday is Jack could be available. Knee has settled well and no pain. Ran strongly

With Harry TDK Pittonet Jack Kennedy Acres Docherty Cripps Motlop all looking like being available selection is going to be interesting. I am sure there will be a lot of debate amongst the coaching staff about which way to go

I have no idea but very happy with have a mostly healthy list to choose from


And it looks like whats his name , ah Andrew Russell has done a Bart Cummings and timed the run home to the minute ALA the race aint won at the clock tower .

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:38 pm 
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If Cuningham plays, it’ll be a personal record for consecutive games.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:54 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Talk yesterday is Jack could be available. Knee has settled well and no pain. Ran strongly

With Harry TDK Pittonet Jack Kennedy Acres Docherty Cripps Motlop all looking like being available selection is going to be interesting. I am sure there will be a lot of debate amongst the coaching staff about which way to go

I have no idea but very happy with have a mostly healthy list to choose from


And it looks like whats his name , ah Andrew Russell has done a Bart Cummings and timed the run home to the minute ALA the race aint won at the clock tower .



Bart liked to get 10kms of racing into a Melbourne Cup starter before the race.

We’re not at the clock tower yet - probably passing Chiquita Lodge.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:12 pm 
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If Cuningham plays, it’ll be a personal record for consecutive games.



i think it'll be out of him or dow in the final team.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:07 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Hope you're right! The one thing making me a tad nervous is the coaches box... I trust Voss, but Longmire has so much big game experience and can be very crafty... he will do something unexpected so I hope we're ready for anything. We have the better players; I see plenty of Swans games due to the NSW Ch7 schedule and even during their strong recent W/L record they've not really been that impressive.


I guess one issue is Swans can, over a long period of seasons, match it with most teams in the scragging and tagging, contested ball part of the ga,e when they’re motivated enough. And that’s a big part of our “identity” post- the existential losing crisis. So do they neutralise us or do we beat them at their own game given our superior X-factor players?

It’s such a shame about soft tissue injuries to Cerra and Walsh bc Cerra was in scintillating form and adding finesse with every game til injured. Not back at that level at all yet. Walsh was just starting to dispose as well as we know he can after an on field pre-season in his initial games.

I guess two weeks more training can be useful to these two, but it’s not the same whatever Voss says about match simulation and intensity.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:11 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.


Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.

I think it might take another season of our best forwards playing together to really get that premiership chemistry happening. seems like we spend too many parts of each quarter going to Charlie in a contest before going to smalls works sometimes with JSOS and TDK in there as third and fourth falls stealing the mark but not enough to warrant the high volume bombing to the square.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:25 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
I'll guess being on the outer with this but...

While I prefere SOS over Pitto, the whole Pitto/TDK/Charlie/Harry conundrum assumes they're all KP/Tall players

While they are, Charlie could comfortably spend minutes on the wing every quarter as the outlet option from D50 and the architect going inside 50 while one of H, TDK and Pitto are either benched or Pitto in ruck and H/TDK playing fwd roles

Charlie is a natural at playing the Kouta role for 5-7 minutes a quarter. His delivery I50 is elite

Disruption and variety are just as important as any gameplan


Isn’t Charlie already doing this for parts of most games? Admittedly not on the level of Kouta on the wing or with a licence to roam from contest to contest, but Charlie is no stranger to taking an outlet grab on the wing.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:43 pm 
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Would love Kennedy to be our sub.

His ability overhead adds an extra layer.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:27 pm 
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At this stage the weather forecast is for a few showers and a top of only 12 deg.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:34 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Career stats
Charlie 107 games 221 goals
Harry 105 games 201 goals

Charlie is regarded as the best forward in the comp
Harry is not far behind him based on those numbers


Brendan Fevola. 204 games 623 goals.
But that doesn't mean we'll select him next week. You know as well as anyone Syd, selection is based on your form. Not what you did 5 years ago.
Harry needs to offer more than he currently does. Not necessarily to hold his spot but to assist the team to succeed. That's what we all want. To see every player at their best, helping to bring team success.


Harry’s fourth quarter efforts are sometimes game saving for us. Wasn’t last week or the week before but he’s capable of dominating our transition game from goal square kick outs.


And yet Charlie takes as many marks outside 50 as Harry does. :?
He also leads the AFL for goals, is top 5 for contested marks, marks inside 50, score involvements, offensive 1 on 1 wins etc.
Adaptable, versatile.That's his value.
No one disputes Harry's potential but we have too many 1 dimensional talls. He's one of them. That's why Jack get's a game. He's not as tall or skilful as the rucks but he can adequately perform other roles. If Harry could also do it, he'd offer enormous value to us.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:36 am 
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THIS week folk….

this week…it’s not last week anymore…!


kindest regards tommi






the first game of four…!





this week…!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:08 am 
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big big game

sydney is the kind of game where whoever wins, doesn't make it much further, such is the toll this is gonna take.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:32 am 
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kezza wrote:
At this stage the weather forecast is for a few showers and a top of only 12 deg.


Then play one ruck and an extra mid


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:24 am 
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I reckon there is a chance to have a big advantage in the ruck playing both Pitt and TDK. It's a final, big bodies more important. Not sure I trust TDK to ruck one out yet.

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