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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:03 am 
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this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:27 am 
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A selection squeeze is on at the Blues ahead of the club’s first final since 2013.

Harry McKay didn’t really work as a back-up ruck in the final round, so it wouldn’t surprise if Marc Pittonet came back as the No.1 ruckman.

Captain Patrick Cripps and Sam Docherty are ready to return after missing the last game of the regular season with soreness, while wingman Blake Acres has been cleared of any serious collarbone damage and should be fit to retain his spot.

Dow would be unlucky to miss after playing the final seven matches of the home-and-away season, but there are a few other midfielders in front of him.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-predicted-teams-for-week-one-of-finals/news-story/b7d290f2ae5d331ffaac61aa846786fe

Most teams guessed by media and posters believe there are 2 rucks and only differ with their choice of sub. Dow/Fisher


Paywalled article, what does it say?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:29 am 
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Many on this site have identified the key selection decisions facing the MC.
I’m comfortable that the MC has got most of the evidence it needs over the past few weeks to make good calls based on the type of game we want to play and who is best equipped right now to deliver that.
E.g. I feel like one of those choices may be Fogarty v Cunningham. Both central in our resurgence. But I’m not sure whether Cunningham’s polish is more important than Fogarty’s pressure; or whether Cottrell or Hollands are considered more important to our game plan?
But I’m pretty sure that the injuries we’ve had has enabled the MC to work it all out.
Whatever team we put out there against the Swans will be good enough to win. It’s just a matter of our mindset/intensity on the day!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:26 am 
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I’m cautiously optimistic. Very cautiously, because there has been some red flags over the past few weeks that we can’t ignore. Plus we’re playing against a team with much more finals experience.

B: Newman Weitering Kemp
HB: Saad McGovern Docherty
C: Acres Cripps Hollands
HF: Walsh Charlie Cunningham
F: Owies Harry Martin

R: Pittonet Hewitt Cerra
Inter: Cincotta, Cottrell, Motlop, TDK
Sub: Dow

In- Cripps, Docherty, Motlop, Pittonet
Out- Durdin, Fisher, Fogarty, Marchbank

If Acres doesn’t come up, Fisher (or Boyd) to HB and Docherty to the wing.

I think Durdin, Fogarty & Motlop are competing for one spot. I’ve gone for Motlop (assuming fit) based on a gut feeling. Fogarty unlucky.


Yep my team as well ABNS. Just got to hope the heads are all in the right place.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:38 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Many on this site have identified the key selection decisions facing the MC.
I’m comfortable that the MC has got most of the evidence it needs over the past few weeks to make good calls based on the type of game we want to play and who is best equipped right now to deliver that.
E.g. I feel like one of those choices may be Fogarty v Cunningham. Both central in our resurgence. But I’m not sure whether Cunningham’s polish is more important than Fogarty’s pressure; or whether Cottrell or Hollands are considered more important to our game plan?
But I’m pretty sure that the injuries we’ve had has enabled the MC to work it all out.
Whatever team we put out there against the Swans will be good enough to win. It’s just a matter of our mindset/intensity on the day!


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I think you're spot on 17th.

The only game we can play now is closest to the pin:

Cuningham vs Fogarty? I'll back MC goes with Cuningham.

2 rucks vs 1 ruck? I'll back MC to go with the 2 rucks.

Boyd vs Fisher? Well if Doc plays back neither, coz I expect Cincotta to be retained.

Marchbank vs Kemp? Now there's an interesting one. The incumbent whose played well there most season or the classy injury prone more experienced one? Kemp vs Swans, Marchy in a GF

Sub? Dow vs Marchbank vs Fogarty vs Fish vs Hollands? I'd say its Dow vs Hollands. With 2 rucks and Kenendy missing, I'd say FMD..I dont know. Probably Hollands.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:19 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


We scored from clearances so much that we never got a chance to score much from turnovers. Don't think there's an issue there.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:42 pm 
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jim wrote:
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this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


We scored from clearances so much that we never got a chance to score much from turnovers. Don't think there's an issue there.



it wil be in finals mate. it's a hotter football, clearances more contested and harder to dominate the way we could in regular season.

we're obviously going to try, but i'm not sure in modern footy you can just bludgeon another team to death in finals. and repeat it for 4 games on the bounce.

it'll be interesting to watch


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:33 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
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Braithy wrote:
this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


We scored from clearances so much that we never got a chance to score much from turnovers. Don't think there's an issue there.



it wil be in finals mate. it's a hotter football, clearances more contested and harder to dominate the way we could in regular season.

we're obviously going to try, but i'm not sure in modern footy you can just bludgeon another team to death in finals. and repeat it for 4 games on the bounce.

it'll be interesting to watch


Fact is, we are not going to change much from our modus operandi, and will be contesting hard and win whilst we have our SAS team playing. That might not get us to the GF, because of reason you give but I expect the next couple of games to be bruising not only for us, but also our opponents and we will win.

We will have contested animals waiting as the next man up, ready to tag team and get at them: Kennedy Fogarty Dow Curnow

We have virtually a full list for Finals Campaign. That should give us plenty of promise and belief....Come on Braithy.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:42 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
jim wrote:
Braithy wrote:
this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


We scored from clearances so much that we never got a chance to score much from turnovers. Don't think there's an issue there.



it wil be in finals mate. it's a hotter football, clearances more contested and harder to dominate the way we could in regular season.

we're obviously going to try, but i'm not sure in modern footy you can just bludgeon another team to death in finals. and repeat it for 4 games on the bounce.

it'll be interesting to watch


I think the key is to make the game so contested and apply so much pressure that we also prevent the other team from scoring from turnovers. It worked vs Collingwood and Melbourne. It takes 100% commitment from every single player though. Pressure has to be through the roof


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:19 pm 
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jim wrote:
Braithy wrote:
this finals series we have to find a way to score from turnovers. we'll go as far as that takes us. every other part of our game isn't just competitive, it's some of the best.


We scored from clearances so much that we never got a chance to score much from turnovers. Don't think there's an issue there.

You can only invite the opposition into the contest so many times before they take it of you.

We’re getting the edge, but dropping the catch.

We’re as good as anyone at creating turnovers & we’re regularly first to scoop up the loose ball. It’s the usage that's letting us down. Not just the obvious butcher jobs, but the ones that go to a 50-50 when we had opportunity to link up & hit a mark on the lead.

That’s the not-so-hidden pitfall of correcting the ‘slow movement’.

Over the last 5 games, there’s only been one side in the whole comp with more turnovers than us. Sydney.

The difference between us (both visually and statistically) is that we lose the ball to a stoppage, whereas they can be forced into a turnover.

I’m nervous for Harry more than anything else. We’ve got too many f-wits on this bandwagon that just don’t appreciate the enormity of what he’s being asked to correct in our game.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:30 pm 
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I’m nervous for Harry more than anything else. We’ve got too many f-wits on this bandwagon that just don’t appreciate the enormity of what he’s being asked to correct in our game.


Why are you nervous? If he's been enormous in correcting problems in our game, the coaches should be the first to appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:57 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I’m nervous for Harry more than anything else. We’ve got too many f-wits on this bandwagon that just don’t appreciate the enormity of what he’s being asked to correct in our game.


Why are you nervous? If he's been enormous in correcting problems in our game, the coaches should be the first to appreciate it.

The coaches aren’t the ones throwing fruit.

You’re right though, I’m not so much nervous for Harry as I am fed up with Carlton supporters en masse. The corporeal manifestation of the match day thread.

I just want to get back to the footy. Knowing my luck I’d be seated near one of those twits - or worse, someone from the Prendercast.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:16 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
I’m nervous for Harry more than anything else. We’ve got too many f-wits on this bandwagon that just don’t appreciate the enormity of what he’s being asked to correct in our game.


Why are you nervous? If he's been enormous in correcting problems in our game, the coaches should be the first to appreciate it.

The coaches aren’t the ones throwing fruit.

You’re right though, I’m not so much nervous for Harry as I am fed up with Carlton supporters en masse. The corporeal manifestation of the match day thread.


That's why I rarely visit the match day threads. It's like sending a text to your ex. You don't really mean to say it and you know you'll regret it, but emotion and impetuosity are far more satisfying in the short term.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:14 pm 
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Swans have played 6 games at MCG in the last 2 years and won
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If I'm not mistaken....

Last time we played Swans in a final at MCG was 1987. We won. Plus won flag.


im thinking a certain no.21 was good that day ....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:54 pm 
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Going to the MCG to watch a Carlton Final. Its the peak of footy. But its 9 days away and have a fair idea of what the teams will be.

Im going FNQ for 5 days, party hard, eat heaps amazing food, and get my mind off footy wearing Navy Blue, at BT's SOI's pub, and restaurant, and...a Rowbottom...and best mate who loves footy.

Here's what I think Vossy will do as of today (hope no injurioes, just strength build up. I would just change Marchbank and Kemp, but not too sore about it.

B: Kemp weitering Cincotta
HB: Saad McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Walsh
HF: Martin McKay Cuningham
F: TDK Curnow Owies
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Cerra
IC: Docherty Cottrell Hollands Motlop
S: Marchbank / Dow
E: Fogarty

Amazing depth to choose from as the 4th Emergency

Kennedy Durdin Fisher Durdin who have performed at AFL level and Boyd who many of us would like at BP, but hasnt played for over a month.

Go Bluebaggers.

I'm painting my house Navy Blue, and string up a 'stuffed' dead duck in Swans colours out the front. Next door is Carlton mad too...in Sydney. How good. He bought us both Carlton Garden Knomes to sit out the front. My boys have nraely converted the son. Bluebaggers cheer with more heart and soul than Swans supporters.

One week at a time.

Give us the CUP !!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:13 pm 
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My preference

B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Walsh Charlie Motlop
F: Owies Harry Martin
R: TDK Hewitt Cerra
Inter: Cincotta, Cottrell, Fogarty, Dow
Sub: Kemp

Out- Hollands, Cuningham, Fisher, Kemp (Sub), Durdin
In- Cripps, Docherty, Boyd, Motlop, Marchbank

I'm a fan of Cunners but he's been poor of late. Kicking it poorly in general, low impact and he was beaten badly last week.
Boyd comes in as we need his ball use out of the back half. We're regressing with our turnover game so we need to stop giving opportunities to the opposition. If Gulden fires up, we'll need someone to cool him down and Hewett is our only real option. We'll need a bigger body in the guts to help Cripps So Dow stays in. Fogarty didn't do a lot last week but everything he does is clean and smart.
Cincotta holds his spot. He's come under a bit of criticism but he's taking the oppositions best small defender as a rule. A tough gig and he's doing OK.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:54 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
My preference

B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Walsh Charlie Motlop
F: Owies Harry Martin
R: TDK Hewitt Cerra
Inter: Cincotta, Cottrell, Fogarty, Dow
Sub: Kemp

Out- Hollands, Cuningham, Fisher, Kemp (Sub), Durdin
In- Cripps, Docherty, Boyd, Motlop, Marchbank

I'm a fan of Cunners but he's been poor of late. Kicking it poorly in general, low impact and he was beaten badly last week.
Boyd comes in as we need his ball use out of the back half. We're regressing with our turnover game so we need to stop giving opportunities to the opposition. If Gulden fires up, we'll need someone to cool him down and Hewett is our only real option. We'll need a bigger body in the guts to help Cripps So Dow stays in. Fogarty didn't do a lot last week but everything he does is clean and smart.
Cincotta holds his spot. He's come under a bit of criticism but he's taking the oppositions best small defender as a rule. A tough gig and he's doing OK.



Yep. (Maybe Pittonet for ?)

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Blue Vain wrote:
My preference

B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Walsh Charlie Motlop
F: Owies Harry Martin
R: TDK Hewitt Cerra
Inter: Cincotta, Cottrell, Fogarty, Dow
Sub: Kemp

Out- Hollands, Cuningham, Fisher, Kemp (Sub), Durdin
In- Cripps, Docherty, Boyd, Motlop, Marchbank

I'm a fan of Cunners but he's been poor of late. Kicking it poorly in general, low impact and he was beaten badly last week.
Boyd comes in as we need his ball use out of the back half. We're regressing with our turnover game so we need to stop giving opportunities to the opposition. If Gulden fires up, we'll need someone to cool him down and Hewett is our only real option. We'll need a bigger body in the guts to help Cripps So Dow stays in. Fogarty didn't do a lot last week but everything he does is clean and smart.
Cincotta holds his spot. He's come under a bit of criticism but he's taking the oppositions best small defender as a rule. A tough gig and he's doing OK.



i think so. i'd probs have kemp over marchbank. marchbank can be costly and has a lost a step.

harry i'm not sold on in the ruck, he was calamitous in the 2nd half, i'd consider sitting him based on his current form post knee surgery and bring pittonet in - he's fresh and can take a body in the middle.


i'm a bit baffled as to why people rate durdin. i think he's the absolute worst. not an out and out spud, but only a degree of separation from josh honey.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:25 pm 
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I look at Durdin….

as a cross between Owies and Durdin….!

maybe I’m sweetened by a couple of
super games…for example last years opening
game against the Tiges…!

he likes to hurt they bigger guys…pressure
acts…between him and Motlop…that’s a lot of
lockdown…!

the players all say Durds goes harder than
anyone at training…!


kindest regards tommi





having said that…can he get it back after
one game…!

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