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I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni barely played a half of VFL, and from what I saw he was the only one showing true desperation and really attacking the ball, which is exactly what we need in finals.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:48 am 
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Agree re Cripps. He is clearly hampered. Also, I would shrivel up inside if he, of all players, got hit in his clearly sore ribs and missed the finals!
I might be losing my mind but I’m almost getting to the point where Dow stays in ahead of Kennedy. :-O
Point of difference and has been playing well… have I lost my mind???


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You've lost your mind. He doesnt look like a Finals player to me.

I paused the game early in the 3rd such was my frustration watching Dow jogging around with no intensity, never applying a tackle and if you look back at the 1st Qtr when Swallow had 2 shots at call 1.30 mins within each other, Dow pulls out of both contests and coincidently ended up with shots at goal to Swallow, you will see what Dow is made of.

He had the job to follow Rowell at times. Have a look at the 2 players intent to win the ball as mids. It was embarrassing to think Dow was a developed player, and Rowell would attack the ball, get tackled, get rid of it again whilst Dow watched and jogged behind him...Rowell got the ball again. Dow just let Rowell do as he pleases. That's not the footy that wins you Finals.

I turned the game back on after medicating myself and he found some easy ball, broke a tackle, showed off his side step and did OK after that, but not defensively. Good to see him start getting into the game in the 2nd half. Not enough imo. Depth is about it do Dow.

I noticed Fisher ended up with 4 tackles. Obviously it counts if you are 3rd man in because he was weak in the tackle too.

Yeah, Dow's and Fisher's numbers may look alright in the end, but there's more to it than just numbers.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:56 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni barely played a half of VFL, and from what I saw he was the only one showing true desperation and really attacking the ball, which is exactly what we need in finals.


I watched it too sin. I'm only judging him as I saw it. We see what we want to see. I'm not in love with him and have no bias either way. I thought his kicking was really rubbish and the rot set in after that. He's a senior player in the reserves and should be setting the example. 5 kicks 2 hB's and 1 HO in a lower league. Missing targets. I thought he was rusty.

Ofcourse its normal for Silvagni to be desperate and attack the ball, that's not in question, never is, but FMD he wasn't impressive winning it, and that short pass in the first that missed his target altogether is not a player in form or a standard you want to set for the team imo.

The bottom line is form imo didn't warrant selection next week for me. What about you?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:59 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni was BOG in his last game. 4 goals from 19 touches and 10 coaches votes. He’s in our best 22


When was that?

He was also dropped a couple times too.

I'm just commenting on yesterday.

Do you think his form yesterday proved he is in form that warrants selection?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:04 am 
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Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:07 am 
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Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .



walsh and cerra are still a season or two from their primes.

a big bodied mid to develop into cripp's ulitmate replacement is probably still an offseason or two away imo


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:12 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .



walsh and cerra are still a season or two from their primes.

a big bodied mid to develop into cripp's ulitmate replacement is probably still an offseason or two away imo


Yeah , i get that Braithy but it can come up quicker than you think . Cats are now ratchet coz they left it too late .

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:27 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .



walsh and cerra are still a season or two from their primes.

a big bodied mid to develop into cripp's ulitmate replacement is probably still an offseason or two away imo


Yeah , i get that Braithy but it can come up quicker than you think . Cats are now ratchet coz they left it too late .



ah i hear you mick ... but the cats are well into their 30's - we're almost a decade younger.

after this finals series we'll know what we need for the upcoming seasons of our official 'window' ... whether we just top up depth thru the draft, or use picks to trade for more experienced bodies to get us over the line.

a dynamic small forward and a replacement/ upgrade for marchbank & gov would be my wishlist right now?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:30 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni barely played a half of VFL, and from what I saw he was the only one showing true desperation and really attacking the ball, which is exactly what we need in finals.


I watched it too sin. I'm only judging him as I saw it. We see what we want to see. I'm not in love with him and have no bias either way. I thought his kicking was really rubbish and the rot set in after that. He's a senior player in the reserves and should be setting the example. 5 kicks 2 hB's and 1 HO in a lower league. Missing targets. I thought he was rusty.

Ofcourse its normal for Silvagni to be desperate and attack the ball, that's not in question, never is, but FMD he wasn't impressive winning it, and that short pass in the first that missed his target altogether is not a player in form or a standard you want to set for the team imo.

The bottom line is form imo didn't warrant selection next week for me. What about you?


Yes I agree, I wouldn’t promote him to seniors based on yesterday, but he’s still very much in our top 25 players.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:48 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni was BOG in his last game. 4 goals from 19 touches and 10 coaches votes. He’s in our best 22


When was that?

He was also dropped a couple times too.

I'm just commenting on yesterday.

Do you think his form yesterday proved he is in form that warrants selection?


That was against Port, his last full game. He was also very good the two weeks prior against Freo and Hawthorn and started very strong the week after against WC before getting injured early.

I didn’t see the game yesterday, but from what I could tell he didn’t play more than a quarter and a bit, is that correct? If so, it’s hard to read much into a quarter of form, especially when he’s been out for a month. Just as it’s hard to read much from Harry’s ineffectual showing yesterday.

I’d get him in the team asap, mainly because it gives us a more mobile forward line instead of having a resting ruckman up there

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:51 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Talk about Cripps being rested is simply wrong.

Didn't anyone else see the padding he had around his chest?

If he takes the week off it is due to injury. However it is written up.


I think we’re all on the same page here, the reason I’m calling for Cripps to be “rested” is because he looks banged up and sore, which is the same as “injured”. Given the way he plays, I want him to be able to attack the finals unhampered by any soreness.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:08 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .



walsh and cerra are still a season or two from their primes.

a big bodied mid to develop into cripp's ulitmate replacement is probably still an offseason or two away imo



Kemp is that mid.

Whether he is left in the backline is something we will wait to see what happens.

Given we are a destination club, and a few of the lucrative contracts are coming to an end, we can fill holes or hole left by Kemp in the backline...after our next 3 Flags.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:14 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni barely played a half of VFL, and from what I saw he was the only one showing true desperation and really attacking the ball, which is exactly what we need in finals.


I watched it too sin. I'm only judging him as I saw it. We see what we want to see. I'm not in love with him and have no bias either way. I thought his kicking was really rubbish and the rot set in after that. He's a senior player in the reserves and should be setting the example. 5 kicks 2 hB's and 1 HO in a lower league. Missing targets. I thought he was rusty.

Ofcourse its normal for Silvagni to be desperate and attack the ball, that's not in question, never is, but FMD he wasn't impressive winning it, and that short pass in the first that missed his target altogether is not a player in form or a standard you want to set for the team imo.

The bottom line is form imo didn't warrant selection next week for me. What about you?


Yes I agree, I wouldn’t promote him to seniors based on yesterday, but he’s still very much in our top 25 players.


I hope he's at least the sub in our Finals side, and if Pitto breaks down he's in the 22.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:17 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni was BOG in his last game. 4 goals from 19 touches and 10 coaches votes. He’s in our best 22


When was that?

He was also dropped a couple times too.

I'm just commenting on yesterday.

Do you think his form yesterday proved he is in form that warrants selection?


That was against Port, his last full game. He was also very good the two weeks prior against Freo and Hawthorn and started very strong the week after against WC before getting injured early.

I didn’t see the game yesterday, but from what I could tell he didn’t play more than a quarter and a bit, is that correct? If so, it’s hard to read much into a quarter of form, especially when he’s been out for a month. Just as it’s hard to read much from Harry’s ineffectual showing yesterday.

I’d get him in the team asap, mainly because it gives us a more mobile forward line instead of having a resting ruckman up there

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I just tell you what I saw. I can't unsee what I saw.

The ball was in his hand and what he did wasnt impressive. He had 7 possessions, but didnt look like a man in good form; that's all.

So you want 3 talls in the forward line? That's cool. So does vOSSY

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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Tell you what , our midfield is getting on and we need to replenish . If Dow is going i would be going hell for leather to get that Flanders . Young guy who knows were to go to get a kick .



walsh and cerra are still a season or two from their primes.

a big bodied mid to develop into cripp's ulitmate replacement is probably still an offseason or two away imo


Yeah , i get that Braithy but it can come up quicker than you think . Cats are now ratchet coz they left it too late .



ah i hear you mick ... but the cats are well into their 30's - we're almost a decade younger.

after this finals series we'll know what we need for the upcoming seasons of our official 'window' ... whether we just top up depth thru the draft, or use picks to trade for more experienced bodies to get us over the line.

a dynamic small forward and a replacement/ upgrade for marchbank & gov would be my wishlist right now?


mE TOO.

wE HAVE A lot of small forwards.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:57 pm 
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i don't rate any of our small forwards - easily our most upgradeable position on the park. there's too much space between their best and their worst.

didn't have that problem with eddie, like the crows don't with rankine, swans with papely, pies with billy elliot, port with rioli etc etc

i think ginnivan (if we could get him - word is we could) would immediately upgrade our smalls division here.


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i don't rate any of our small forwards - easily our most upgradeable position on the park. there's too much space between their best and their worst.

didn't have that problem with eddie, like the crows don't with rankine, swans with papely, pies with billy elliot, port with rioli etc etc

i think ginnivan (if we could get him - word is we could) would immediately upgrade our smalls division here.


Ginnivan is every bit as inconsistant as our lot . Agreed , better player , but inconsistant all the same .

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bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I reckon if Cripps is rested and trains 50% over the next 2 weeks and in that time works on his left foot kick and handball, maybe some art school to encourage the left side... for the whole of the first week; see what happens. If there is progress, repeat. He's the only one I'd rest against GWS; unless he's angry.

Resting players? You have to ask them.

Yeah Marchbank and Kemp were disappointing.

There was ample evidence of Dow's weakness.
Fisher will get brushed aside in Finals; can't stick a tackle, like Dow TBH.
Doesn't mean Fog comes in because he can tackle and apply pressure.

Cerra Walsh McGovern in.
Silvagni didnt show much today imo, especially when the game was hot. Kicks astray worried me too, but he was in form prior to injury, so on the cusp.


Silvagni was BOG in his last game. 4 goals from 19 touches and 10 coaches votes. He’s in our best 22


When was that?

He was also dropped a couple times too.

I'm just commenting on yesterday.

Do you think his form yesterday proved he is in form that warrants selection?


That was against Port, his last full game. He was also very good the two weeks prior against Freo and Hawthorn and started very strong the week after against WC before getting injured early.

I didn’t see the game yesterday, but from what I could tell he didn’t play more than a quarter and a bit, is that correct? If so, it’s hard to read much into a quarter of form, especially when he’s been out for a month. Just as it’s hard to read much from Harry’s ineffectual showing yesterday.

I’d get him in the team asap, mainly because it gives us a more mobile forward line instead of having a resting ruckman up there

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I just tell you what I saw. I can't unsee what I saw.

The ball was in his hand and what he did wasnt impressive. He had 7 possessions, but didnt look like a man in good form; that's all.

So you want 3 talls in the forward line? That's cool. So does vOSSY


Thats fine. But it was his first quarter in a month and he was BOG in the last full game he played. Could you imagine Pitto getting 10 coaches votes? LOL

Come on, Silvagni is a hell of a lot more mobile and plays a lot smaller than Pitto or TDK.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:25 pm 
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We could be playing for a home final.

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We want Port to win today, to keep pressure on Bris to win.

If Port lose to the dockers the Lions clinch second spot.

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Actually I think Owies and Motlop have been pretty good for us this year. Both have been regular goal kickers and both apply good pressure when the ball is in our forward line. Don't forget Motlop doesn't turn 20 for another couple of months while Owies comes from a basketball background and still has plenty of upside. Had Owies had an uninterrupted season he'd be close to 35 goals I reckon.

Are they Cameron/Papley/Breust good? Of course not but they are cream.

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