I don't mean to be hard on them,. Truly. I love what they bring to the table. They have a bit of spunk.
I agree with all your post.

But the small forward role is just one part of our team's structure, but one we have been chasing since Garletta and Betts ran amok, and back in those days, 10 years ago, it wasnt the norm to have 2 smalls.

What I've been consistent with all year, is that I thought our small forwards were a huge worthy investment when we drafted them, because finally we have pace to bur again. Owies doesn't, nor does Fisher. What I have learned is they are not possessed with express speed and elusiveness great small forwards possess. I'm dismayed. After 10 years, this is what we've got and also chasing Gresham.

I have also said I am not been a fan of play 3 or 4 small forwards, let alone 2 unless they are class (like the abovementioned), but if we are trying to win games (and Im not blaming them solely for our bad trot) the we certainly shouldnt be developing first and 2nd year players in games worth 4 points, when we have developed smalls Owies and Fisher.

There's times we have played all 4 small forwards Owies Fisher and the developing Motlop and Durdin. Two is plenty.

I dont think Gresham is a huge upgrade for 600 or 700K. Its the same old carlton. Get the best.

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Agreed 4 of Fisher owies Motlop and Durdin too many n the one side we will be a better side too when the 3 young ones go past owies

Yep.

and they better become weapons, and the only way is to get them super fit; meatball fit.
If they can be dangerous in the forwardline, speaking of meatballs, like Prestia, that's great.
If they can help out/ mix up things in the mid-fwd rotations, they need a couple more preseasons imo.
They are young and developing and will go past Fisher and Owies, but there's no point with over exposing them on the big stage; not for them, not for Carlton imo.

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Because its @#$%&! St Kilda

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all this talk of small forward not necessary mots /durds still young but we should be concentrating (our recruiters) on mean. strong quick mids and mids ,just watch ess/dogs/ Adl games you see what i mean.

Aaron Hamill WTF ... still not over his departure

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I don't want to lose TDK. I feel he will come good.

But if we lose him to money, then I'd be happy with this:



Nic Negrepontis

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/23/one-fun-fake-trade-idea-for-all-18-afl-teams/

I really like Hayden McLean, and it would be nice to welcome back to Carlton the famous McLean.

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Gresham= no
Soft overrated

Like his previous game, Gresham wasn't amazing last night. Neither was Stocker.
Let them be at the Saints.

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said weeks a go no TO gresham

B: Saad Weitering Newman*
HB: Williams Young Kemp^
C: Hollands Walsh Acres
R: Pittonet Cripps Cerra
HF: Docherty Curnow Cottrell
F: Durdin McKay Motlop

I: Kennedy Hewett

Contracted < 50 games: Binns, Boyd, Carroll, Cowan, Lemmey, Mirkov, Owies
Contracted > 50 games: Fisher, Martin

No Contract (^) < 50 games: Akuei, Cincotta, Cuningham, Durdin, Fogarty, Honey, O’Keeffe, Philp.
No Contract (*) > 50 games: Curnow, De Koning, Dow, Marchbank, McGovern, O’Brien, Plowman, Silvagni.

Kemp and Newman are priority.
Then Cincotta & O’Keeffe.
Then Silvagni… and Cuningham, if the tape holds.
Raffle the rest that aren’t going, or gone.

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So if you listen to all the pundits we are going to loose TDK JSOS Fisher McGovern Dow Marchbank as a minimum.
If we don't bring in established players to replace them with and rely strictly on the draft we will go even further backwards next year.

Most teams turn over at least 6 players it should be 3 from the draft and 3 trades or free agencies.
Last year we traded in one player and drafted in 4 and added one from the left overs.

It is why we have gone backwards.

If Gresham is one good tick, find another 2

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McGovern is the only regular forst 22 player in that list.

We’d need a ruck, but depending on what we got in return I’d be happy to draft.

And a huge no to trading out of this years draft for 2 players, no matter how good Reid is

I think Marchbank and Philp certainties

Apparently on last report McGovern wants to stay
TDK more likely to go than stay

Fisher and JSOS unlikely I would have thought fisher has another 2 to go on contract so we have whip hand there
JSOS maybe not sure selectors with ruck experiment have helped him
Dow surely will go

If they all go would free up plenty of cap

If TDk leaves we would need another ruckman

When we line up against Hawks next week we will have 3 players playing taken from our last 6 years of National draft picks.
1 is a pick 1
Another has just started to get a regular game after being injured a lot and not impressing in the 2's
Another who has shown glimpses he could be good but drops a lot of marks gives away a lot of frees and wants to leave.

25 National draft picks in 6 years for this outcome.

I would be trading out of draft on mass

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We traded out of the first round 2 years in a row, I’d like to see us take more first round picks, not less.

Hollands and Durdin would be playing if fit.

We also have cap issues, the best way to address them is get young talent. You’re not addressing our issues with cast offs from other clubs

IMO,
Players that should not be on our list in 2024 are: Ed C (retire), Philp, Honey, McGovern (trade), Fogarty.
Players that might be traded that I don’t agree with are: Dow, TDK, Fisher, JSoS.
Players that might be in trouble that I would keep are Plowman, Carroll, Cuningham, Marchbank.

That is one hell of a list and personally, depending on who wants to jump ship, I wouldn’t be making more than 6 to 7 changes.

That's what I see every time I look at how our list has been built.
Our team, like other other teams' lists are not made up from the draft.

Trading is how team's reset and climb the ladder quickly, whereas we have not shown great results from the draft.

From last year, I like Hollands and Cowan, but they are developing, and will for a few more years, just as will any draft picks this year.

What do our Brownlow, Coleman Medallists, Rising star, No 1 picks and AA's do whilst the kids develop? Play kick to kick till they retire?

We are after Finals. Whatever it takes, get some ready made players to take the field where Philp, Marchbank and Cunners have failed more than not.

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