For the first time as coach I saw him absolutely livid in the presser. He looked and sounded PISSED.

Kennedy on Mihochek that's a master stroke move Michael

This!!

Both have no idea!

This is Voss’s 7th year as a senior coach….

I just watched his press conference.

Wow

What a complete load of shit that was.

He is totally lost.

Defence is the focus to fix and judge on that moving forward eh?

Wow.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

What was that crap about if you shut down Daicos you lose on Moore?
Like WTF?

Come on man, the list is pretty good.
Not excellent but pretty good.
I mean compare the list now to the list of recent years, it is light years better.
There are a number of AA players, 2 Coleman medalists, etc.
I refuse to believe the players are all of a sudden all spuds. To my eye they are struggling with a game plan that doesn't work and as a result they are making mistakes. The Walsh of today is a totally different player to the Walsh we know. I don't buy the injury, he has been back for 5 weeks now and is kicking the ball like he has no idea, that isn't blowing the cobwebs out, that is not understanding the game plan and system.

I am really only judging him on game plan / system and the fact sine R10 last year we have gone backwards. He has failed since R10 last year IMO.
That's all I am saying.
If we want stability and keep the coach then fine, but I think he needs to be monitored closely because surely he only gets 1 more chance to implement a new style of play - he needs another year to try and make a new game style work. If not then that's two consecutive fails tactically.

Didn't see the presser, but Voss is right, Carlton's whole ground defense is all but non-existent.

I don't know if Voss is a good coach because this team is a coach killer. I can almost guarantee that any new coach would be in the exact same position after 18 months with this group.

Bunch of zero confidence cauliflowers whose skills go out the window at even the merest hint of pressure. Hell, they often play like they're under pressure when they're 10m in the clear with the panicky bullshit they deliver. Was it Docherty who was 5m in the clear who just ran around in circles until he was tackled? WTF is that shit?

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Well I do agree some of the defenders seem to shit themselves under pressure.

But the stats show we equaled Coll in I50s and contested ball etc so we had chances forward of centre but our system going forward is non existent. The game was over early because of 2 things ...

1. We kicked it long to the tall forwards and that didn't work
2. Too many mistakes by defenders gifted Coll easy early goals

I'd do a full due process interview with Justin Leppitsch, and get him in before 7:50pm Friday night, or half-time at worst.
Probably go to Rec Xpress for a part time PT to replace "Jack" Russell too.

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When Voss speaks of defence he isn't just speaking about our backline . He is talking about team defence and that includes every player out there . No wonder Voss loves Owies coz he is about the only bloke out there who embraces team defence . Time for Voss to bring out the one wood and launch at a few .

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To all those saying we should sack Voss - how will this improve us? How is a revolving door of coaches going to make us a better footy club and attractive?

I'm with you it's ludicrous and a very short sighted approach.
He, like Bolton did, need more experienced talent helping them in the coaches box.......look at Collingwood and Melbourne.
A bird in the ear to question his decisions, stopping him from reverting to favouritism, stubborness and minimal team changes that seem to be sending the wrong messages to the playing group.
On the weekend you could see he tried different things during the game (albeit too late) but the changes were there, the players just can't be counted on at the moment.
He needs to reset the group and give them some more freedom to play off the leash a little and see what he can salvage and build on with the current game plan.
Then look for better assistants for next season before the season is over.
The football world needs to see some continuity and club support from our senior coaching appointments or we will never get another good coach again.

He’s clearly out of his depth.

I’ll reverse the question and say how is keeping someone that can’t do their job the right message.

If Voss was a player he’d be dropped. Maybe he can coach the 2s for a few weeks till he finds form

Nah, don’t agree. Our list is average.

Lack pace in the midfield. Having Kennedy, Cripps and Hewitt in your midfield is too one paced.

Ordinary ruckman.

Don’t have a viable third marking tall.

Ordinary small forwards. Although still young.

Injury prone list.

Little input from established players on big contracts. Martin and McGovern may need to be replaced.

Cripps best may be behind him.

Ed Curnow is still getting games.

No real depth. Falls away quickly.

Not sufficient quality youth coming through.

There are a multitude of other issues, but I don’t think Voss is the sole reason for our poor season.

Firstly I don't think he is out of his depth, however I will agree that on the outside he's not sending the right message to the playing group.
But without being on the inside I can only comment as an outsider.
For your question I rebut it with another, how has sacking coaches after 2 years or slightly more that "can't do their jobs" gone for us?
We need to back a horse and stick with it, like a player he needs development and support something as a club we haven't got right for 25+ years for both.
There are plenty of clubs that have backed their coaches that seem to have not been doing their job and have paid off in the end.
Geelong as an example.
But as a direct answer, if you were half decent as an upcoming coach why would you come to Carlton if you know you'd most likely get the axe in 2 years and never get another shot at coaching again.
We have a pretty good coaching career kill list.

Sayers email to members just sent was emphatic. He's going nowhere.

Well outside of Ratten, who I thought was as shafted, none of the others have gone on to have senior coaching careers. So maybe they just weren’t up to it.

I didn’t like the Voss choice from the outset. Nobody else wanted him, including Carlton until we couldn’t get who we wanted.

If you want to be senior coach then you need to be up to it, I don’t think he is. I wouldn’t expect my employer to promote me and have to bring in assistant managers to cover for my inadequacies.

I get your point around stability and it’s absence from Carlton for many years, but I suspect if he stays we’ll be having this conversation, with the same results, for years to come.

If we get a better coach that would help us

Ratts got sakced from the Saints so maybe he just isn't up to it either