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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 12:28 pm 
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Well they've wheeled out Cripps, our leader, to speak to the media today and he spoke well.

First step, tick.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 12:44 pm 
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We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 12:46 pm 
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I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:15 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Well they've wheeled out Cripps, our leader, to speak to the media today and he spoke well.

First step, tick.

Yep and I'm sure he spoke well before the matches against the Crows, Lions and Dogs - got pantsed on each occasion.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:28 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.
No idea why Kennedy is 'Mr Plug - holes' at the moment.?...
He's out best mid... The others are getting by on reputation rather than form.... Until his form drops away, FFS play him to his strengths... Mid, mid forward and even deep forward

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 2:27 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Well they've wheeled out Cripps, our leader, to speak to the media today and he spoke well.

First step, tick.

Yep and I'm sure he spoke well before the matches against the Crows, Lions and Dogs - got pantsed on each occasion.


Errr, no.

The criticism was intense because he didn't front up last week, and they sent Cerra instead who was like a deer in the headlights.

Why do so many people on here just make things up?


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 2:28 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.


You haven't seen Doc do any good things in the midfield mix? That's a tough call.

I'd ask the same question to others watching Doc in the midfield mix. Has Doc done good thiongs in the midfield mix?

Far out. He changed us in round 22 and 23 last year when he went in the midfield, and he's done well there this year too.

Doc started at HF but didn't stay there after the bell went. He's in the midfield mix, but starting HF, like Walsh was doing; adding numbers.
Clearly it was an outside role. I dont think its fair to judge Doc on CC's when that role

Can someone tell me how many Centra bounces Doc actually attended? I don't have those stats? That should help work out expectations.

Doc had 3 score involvements but didn't score because he played further up the ground ie HHF/mid.

I wouldn't pitch Docs game as a failure. 26 possessions at 85% 370 metres gained. He added something on the outside. We need someone on the outside.

Doc didn't push Kennedy out of the centre bounce. The inside work was taken by Cripps and Hewett. They pushed Kennedy out onto the pine.

We need some run on the outside who can deliver the ball. Walsh and Cerra can provide outside run too.

We need more running through the midfield than Cripps Hewett Kennedy and Cerra, with Walsh on a wing. More than just Doc too.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 3:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.


The issue is we need 3 Docherty's

IMO he needs to play in defence. We need his composure and experience back there

Cerra should be in the midfield. Annoys me when I see him at HB. What a waste. Same with Kennedy

Our best midfield is Cripps Walsh Hewett Cerra Kennedy. Need to let them play and consistently together. Acres on one wing with Hollands & Cottrell

The Key is how our forward line works and how we deliver it to that forward line. Charlie up the ground in the second half was great last week. Invloved in 4-5 score involvements. It allowed Durdin Motlop Owies more space and ability to get involved. A bit of confidence with our goal kicking we would have won


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 4:29 pm 
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We need to come out with a hunter's mentality ... savage and relentless.

Go Blues! :mad:

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 4:42 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.



I agree BV. I wasn't happy when we lined up in the last quarter with a different mid setup. Also was not happy with Cripps standing smith as I knew there was no way he would run with him. Cripps had to be minding Libba and Docherty or Walsh on Smith. Also loved Cottrells game. I too was confused by us giving the easy kicks out of defense. Given a lot went to Smith and then he kept on running providing the link through the middle. That is where I feel we got exposed.

But all this is fixable - nothing broken, which means I am still confident we can win this Sunday.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 4:48 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.


The issue is we need 3 Docherty's

IMO he needs to play in defence. We need his composure and experience back there

Cerra should be in the midfield. Annoys me when I see him at HB. What a waste. Same with Kennedy

Our best midfield is Cripps Walsh Hewett Cerra Kennedy. Need to let them play and consistently together. Acres on one wing with Hollands & Cottrell

The Key is how our forward line works and how we deliver it to that forward line. Charlie up the ground in the second half was great last week. Invloved in 4-5 score involvements. It allowed Durdin Motlop Owies more space and ability to get involved. A bit of confidence with our goal kicking we would have won


Yeah I get that.

I'm sure you were an advocate for Doc mixing it up in the middle, hence your desire to have Boyd back, and I cant wait till he breaks back into the team.

Preseason and seasons prior to the arrival of Hewett and Cerra, we were in need for about 10 players to run through the midfield mix. I'm wondering where that theory has gone? I know BV would like Motlop or Durdin to run through there, but they will be just cameos from kids.

After Cripps Hewett and Kennedy, and Cerra and Walsh, that's 5, who else is joining the party for a chop out? I think we only need 2 of the 3 small forwards, Owies is one, and Motley and Durdin are only 20yo and 21yo. Can all 3 of them run through the midfield? They are not proven, now developed for a small forwards role let alone midfield role if we are real about the chop out and winning that position.

Hey, we kicked better in the 2nd half but still lost it by 2 points....that's with Docherty on the outside.

I'm guessing, but from my read of his post, I think BV's grievance is Kennedy on the bench in the last, Fair enough, and Doc gets them blame for that, not fair enough.

No reason why Doc cant play HBF and mix it up in the middle with the 7th defender taking his place when he does. What happens to Doc when Boyd is back? Marchbank?

How many centre bounces did Doc attend in the last? or for the whole game?

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 6:33 pm 
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Been saying it for a month.
Play Cripps, Cerra and Walsh midfield. Kennedy and Dow rotations. We need our best in there and some run and carry. We lose nothing with Kennedy rotating with Cripps.
Docherty needs to go back to get some clean ball and run out of there.
Weitering must move further up field. Is struggling on the last line. Young can play deep back.
Charlie needs to move further up field with McKay deep. This will allow us to play McKay to his strength but also stop us from ‘kick to Charlie’ at every opportunity.
If Acres is playing this week, he is going to give me a heartache. Will wilt under the Magpie pressure.
Just get it right Voss.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 6:56 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.


Not me. Started forward and rotated midfield. zero centre clearances. 3 contested possessions and only 3 score involvements. Cerra has been our best mid for weeks and he gets stuck at half back. When the game was up for grabs in the last quarter, contested ball winners like Libba stepped up. Meanwhile our best centre clearance player on the day (Kennedy) is sitting on his arse and Cerra is playing backline. Doc was never the answer Saturday night IMHO.


The issue is we need 3 Docherty's

IMO he needs to play in defence. We need his composure and experience back there

Cerra should be in the midfield. Annoys me when I see him at HB. What a waste. Same with Kennedy

Our best midfield is Cripps Walsh Hewett Cerra Kennedy. Need to let them play and consistently together. Acres on one wing with Hollands & Cottrell

The Key is how our forward line works and how we deliver it to that forward line. Charlie up the ground in the second half was great last week. Invloved in 4-5 score involvements. It allowed Durdin Motlop Owies more space and ability to get involved. A bit of confidence with our goal kicking we would have won


Yeah I get that.

I'm sure you were an advocate for Doc mixing it up in the middle, hence your desire to have Boyd back, and I cant wait till he breaks back into the team.

Preseason and seasons prior to the arrival of Hewett and Cerra, we were in need for about 10 players to run through the midfield mix. I'm wondering where that theory has gone? I know BV would like Motlop or Durdin to run through there, but they will be just cameos from kids.

After Cripps Hewett and Kennedy, and Cerra and Walsh, that's 5, who else is joining the party for a chop out? I think we only need 2 of the 3 small forwards, Owies is one, and Motley and Durdin are only 20yo and 21yo. Can all 3 of them run through the midfield? They are not proven, now developed for a small forwards role let alone midfield role if we are real about the chop out and winning that position.

Hey, we kicked better in the 2nd half but still lost it by 2 points....that's with Docherty on the outside.

I'm guessing, but from my read of his post, I think BV's grievance is Kennedy on the bench in the last, Fair enough, and Doc gets them blame for that, not fair enough.

No reason why Doc cant play HBF and mix it up in the middle with the 7th defender taking his place when he does. What happens to Doc when Boyd is back? Marchbank?

How many centre bounces did Doc attend in the last? or for the whole game?


I think for Voss has become a bit of a mr fixit and I think that is a mistake. With Walsh out I wanted Doc in the middle but with Walsh up and going and Cerra going well Docherty needs to go back. He's too good and will help the defence. He's that calm head we need and I'm sure Weitering & Young are better with him there

I think we need to go back to our best side in their best places

B: Boyd Young Newman
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad (Cincotta)

Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra (Hewett)
C: Acres Cripps Cottrell (Hollands)

HF: Martin Charlie Walsh
F: Owies McKay McGovern (Durdin)


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 7:28 pm 
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IMO:
Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.
JSoS is in our best 22 and McGovern is close to not.
Boyd is not and Acres is not.
TDK is.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 8:19 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Well they've wheeled out Cripps, our leader, to speak to the media today and he spoke well.

First step, tick.


Did he?

Just contrived bullshit and spin that he couldve typed into chaptGPT 5 miniutes before the interview

He is a cringeworthy leader of men...there's half our problem

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 10:51 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Well they've wheeled out Cripps, our leader, to speak to the media today and he spoke well.

First step, tick.


Did he?

Just contrived bullshit and spin that he couldve typed into chaptGPT 5 miniutes before the interview

He is a cringeworthy leader of men...there's half our problem


It made me cringe when he said if he had that set shot he snapped on his left again, he would snap
On left again….. :donk:


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I hope they buy us flowers and chocolates and take us out for a nice dinner before they roger us senseless this Sunday afternoon.


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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 9:51 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Cottrell isn’t a wingman. Walsh should be midfield.


Walsh is midfielder. We play a an extra mid pushing up from HF


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It made me cringe when he said if he had that set shot he snapped on his left again, he would snap
On left again….. :donk:



If he does it again, I will snap too!

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2023 11:19 am 
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Is the media correct today stating Cripps only won one centre clearance?

One more than Doc.

Would be interesting to find the stat of how many centre Bounces (CB's) the Carlton mids had.

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