bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Nope, not saying that at all.
What I have been saying is that you
can't just blame the players solely.
Agree
I thought you were advocating Carlton was to blame for his failure during his 3 year tenure.
I know Carlton's development for the 2 decades prior to setterfield was putrid
I also know that Teague's game plan had flaws
I thought Setterfield was inconsistent, lazy and a ball watcher.
Pulled his finger out in the last month of the year: too late.
Voss has already shown this year what a better development system, playing players in the positions they were drafted for and in roles that highlight their strengths can do if they want to do the work. We've all seen it and the fact we have seen it only after one year highlights how poor it has been at the club.
The whole football world criticised Teague's lack of thought or commitment to defense with his game plan. Lets get that straight. The list didn't change but the game plan did with Vossy.
Setterfield was average under both regimes.
I can't buy the point Development impacted Setterfield under Voss, and stifled him under Teague.
He was given a chance on the wing. He failed. His inside ability is questionable. He doesn't hunt the ball. He loves to receive and kick blindly. He was tried as an inside mid too and failed. He tagged Oliver and Oliver had 28 possessions and involved in 8 scoring shots.
Maturity at 18yo no matter how much you want it to be true for all kids is as rare as hens teeth, no matter how many courses they do or lectures they attend, they're still kids. Our society no longer demands kids to mature by that age anymore and it hasn't for a long time, yet all of a sudden we expect kids playing sport to?
I personally believe, if the AFL want to have less hits and misses with drafting kids then we need to raise the age to 21 and have a national seconds competition.
Good point.
2 players can have the same development, coach and club but its a fact of life that some kids succeed and others fail. Its a fact of life. Survival of the fittest. Clubs cant wait 5-6 years to see signs. We've obviously seen enough of Setterfield and Dow. Lucky for Dow he's got a contract.
And I'd say the fact the club has come out saying how poor our player development has been is enough proof for me we have failed a lot of our kids, not just Setters.
What period was "the club" referring to? 2020-2021? I don't think so.
I wish him the best at the cheats, but I can't see how a change will benefit him TBH (and I'm secretly hoping it doesn't).
He's already had 4 coaches, 4 systems and even more roles.
I'm glad to see the back of him TBH. Can't wait to replace him, Fogarty, Dow, Ed, with better players. The rest will come next year. After 2023 I expect it to be painful to let go players who are not at the end of their career (Plowman and Newman).
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Teague, he should've never got the job in the first place.
He was putrid as head coach and so was his game plan and player development, ex-Carlton player or not.
We could've already had 3 years of Voss and had a solid reliable system with defined roles and kids actually being played in position, developing.
Anyway, it is what it is.
Fogarty and Ed I agree with, would love to see some return from Dow, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm just hoping we don't go all Carlton again if we aren't getting the results quick enough.
It hasn't worked out for us yet and the odds will say it probably won't.
Time to back a coach in for the long haul and go for it.
Personally, I'm not expecting much improvement next season, if at all.
A lot of other clubs have improved their hands this trade period and I feel we may be relying too much on the fitness of our best 22 to move forward and we all know how that went this season.
I really hope we do, but I'm sceptical, especially with our midfield and it's lack of quality depth.