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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:10 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
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Fair point from SOS, but it doesn't explain attitude.

“I think he’s had three coaches in four years, so from a development point of view I’d question that.”

Stephen Silvagni has firmly defended Liam Stocker following Blues delisting.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/14/silvagni-firmly-defends-stocker-following-blues-delisting/



https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1569855831327506435




Apparently the next episode is going to be him talking about how good Finbar O'Dwyer, Harrison Macreadie and Cam Polson are going at Williamstown.

:lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:11 pm 
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Anyone else heard anything about Harry signing his contract extension yesterday?

I just received a text with that news ... see it anywhere on SEN or FOX or HS ...haven't checked Reddit :grin:

I haven't heard anything. Hopefully it is true.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:29 pm 
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someone in big footy said that Harry did some Carlton media at the club yesterday. so who knows.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:43 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Fair point from SOS, but it doesn't explain attitude.

“I think he’s had three coaches in four years, so from a development point of view I’d question that.”

Stephen Silvagni has firmly defended Liam Stocker following Blues delisting.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/14/silvagni-firmly-defends-stocker-following-blues-delisting/



https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1569855831327506435




Apparently the next episode is going to be him talking about how good Finbar O'Dwyer, Harrison Macreadie and Cam Polson are going at Williamstown.

:lol: :clap:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:46 pm 
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Are we the only ones that our past greats poo on our club? Other club past greats are so one eyed they are incable of reporting or talking objectively.

Why cant they support us completed and one eyed for once?

SOS needs to stop talking poorly about us. I mean his recruiting hasnt been the greatest so he doesnt have to make an excuse for all of them.

But I agree we should have kept stocker. But it seems that we have had enough of something in the end. Wish we knew.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:53 pm 
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silvagni forget player (great) but as a recruiter really stuffed all those first rnd picks gone ,all those Gws players kennedy finally this year showed something but setters and plowman just struggle .Gws gave us players they did nt want not steve brillant recruiting (said this 2 yrs ago)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:20 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Are we the only ones that our past greats poo on our club? Other club past greats are so one eyed they are incable of reporting or talking objectively.

Why cant they support us completed and one eyed for once?

SOS needs to stop talking poorly about us. I mean his recruiting hasnt been the greatest so he doesnt have to make an excuse for all of them.

But I agree we should have kept stocker. But it seems that we have had enough of something in the end. Wish we knew.

SOS is a bit of a different case to your average past player as his pot shots are largely targeted at protecting his brand as a list manager. Blames the club for Stocker’s lack of development. Did the same with SPS last year. Has done the same with Dow. While I’m sure there’s some element of truth with regards to the lack of development, there’s also a strong interest in selling the message that “I did not stuff up these picks”. While his reputation is on the line, I think you’re going to keep seeing these types of quotes.

For what it’s worth, the Watson family have both publicly lashed Essendon* this year in the media but that isn’t exactly the high water mark for a successful club.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:46 pm 
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SOS is right and IMO the club will regret it especially if he goes to Essendon*. He will be a very good player.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:46 pm 
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SOS is unlikely to jump on radio and say "I stuffed that pick up". He is always gonna blame coaching & development.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:56 pm 
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I think SOS makes a valid point. However, there are those within the club closer to Stocker than he or any of us and ultimately they made the decision they did.
At the end of the day in discussion with Austin, as senior coach Vossy has the right to delist whoever thinks wont take us forward.
We have the right to debate it and question it and time will tell if it was the right call or not, but the call has been made.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:57 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
SOS is unlikely to jump on radio and say "I stuffed that pick up". He is always gonna blame coaching & development.


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Spot on, and that has been his behaviour on a consistent basis.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:11 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
SOS is right and IMO the club will regret it especially if he goes to Essendon**. He will be a very good player.


I agree with SOS's comments about development and coaching being poor over past period. However, everything I'm told is that no matter what Stocker is a poor runner and will never have the engine to play AFL


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:21 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
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SOS is right and IMO the club will regret it especially if he goes to Essendon***. He will be a very good player.


I agree with SOS's comments about development and coaching being poor over past period. However, everything I'm told is that no matter what Stocker is a poor runner and will never have the engine to play AFL


There's a poster on BF saying the same, also that he (Stocker) was explicitly told he'd need to work on his fitness multiple times, including over this off season, which he disagreed on...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:25 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Are we the only ones that our past greats poo on our club? Other club past greats are so one eyed they are incable of reporting or talking objectively.

Why cant they support us completed and one eyed for once?

SOS needs to stop talking poorly about us. I mean his recruiting hasnt been the greatest so he doesnt have to make an excuse for all of them.

But I agree we should have kept stocker. But it seems that we have had enough of something in the end. Wish we knew.


SOS has rubbed me the wrong way for years.
I cant believe he's Serge's son TBH.
Ive witnessed the snub of kids seeking autographs; him shutting off the club after salary scandal, etc; his lat 2 years on SEM; now this.
Entitled is the word that comes to mind when I think of him.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Are we the only ones that our past greats poo on our club? Other club past greats are so one eyed they are incable of reporting or talking objectively.

Why cant they support us completed and one eyed for once?

SOS needs to stop talking poorly about us. I mean his recruiting hasnt been the greatest so he doesnt have to make an excuse for all of them.

But I agree we should have kept stocker. But it seems that we have had enough of something in the end. Wish we knew.


SOS has rubbed me the wrong way for years.
I cant believe he's Serge's son TBH.
Ive witnessed the snub of kids seeking autographs; him shutting off the club after salary scandal, etc; his lat 2 years on SEM; now this.
Entitled is the word that comes to mind when I think of him.


Yes he is a poshy dude. When i was young, he was not friendly at all. But I still love him, but you are correct he is shitting on the club too much. He has a chip on his shoulder and seems to really hate the club for some reason.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:46 pm 
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Funny hey….

we hang it on people like Tony Shaw…but geez
he’s a passionate Colon man…!

i think it’s safe to say…SOS is COKK…!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:09 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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If Josh Rachele is anything like his old man he'll have a poster of himself on his wall :lol:


Ego is not a dirty word. :wink:


Keen to get back to Vic is young Josh.....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:12 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
SOS is unlikely to jump on radio and say "I stuffed that pick up". He is always gonna blame coaching & development.


:thumbsup:
Spot on, and that has been his behaviour on a consistent basis.


I think SOS is partly right. Player development for the most part has been poor. The number of coaching changes we've had in recent would indicate we've been poor in that area too.
However, the old saying you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink comes into play here.
These players step into an elite sporting environment with all these resources at their fingertips. Why aren't they making the most of it? There are few doubting SPS' talents. He was rated highly in his draft year yet lacked the drive to succeed. I know Dow is still on our list and contracted and he was rated top 3 or 4 his draft year too but seemingly lacks the drive to succeed. See little urgency in his game. Seems to have not worked much on any of the weaknesses he had when he walked in the door. Why? From an outsider looking in, appears he simply isn't willing to do the work required. Stocker seemingly the same.
This comes back to SOS. Pre draft they interview these players and ask all sorts of ridiculous questions like "if 3 people fall out of an aeroplane and you could only save 1, which one and why?"
The reason for interviewing is to work out if they have the drive to succeed. Would they be willing to do the work required. We know they have the talent but do they have the burning desire.
Given he has seemingly drafted so many players early who appear to have that desire to succeed is a failure on his part as this should have been picked up and identified as part of the pre draft process. Yes, you aren't always going to get it right but you should get it right more often than you get it all wrong.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:18 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
SOS is right and IMO the club will regret it especially if he goes to Essendon**. He will be a very good player.


He's also had 4 years with us to be a very good player

If he decides to flick the switch suddenly after 4 years, it says more about him than our development

I'm a massive believer in intrinsic motivation. He is living every boy's dream. I understand that not everyone is a Sam Walsh but AFL draftees are given a golden key. How they use it is up to them. Some aren't good enough and some don't work hard enough

I do not profess to know anything about the Stocker delisting but if the kick up the backside he got from being delisted is the motivation he needs, good riddance...we gave you more than enough time Liam

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:31 pm 
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Are we STILL talking about Stocker?

OMFG


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