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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:28 pm 
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We are still seen as the team that you can turn your form around, the team that you turn your season around and the team that if your season is going so shitly you can still bag a win and sell a few memberships.

Until we are not that team North have a more than adequate chance against us.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:11 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
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My ins and outs for North

Stocker- Parks could happen if they feel Stocker has been playing well enough?
JSOS - Pitto I would expect JSOS to return and even if a Pittos injury is a corkie Pitto will miss at least 1
Kennedy - Newnes Could happen but would require Walsh to spend more time on the wing. At Marvel this may not be such an issue being a narrower ground compared to the MCG.
Carroll - Cotrell Could be a chance given Carrolls form the last 2 weeks. He does play HF/mid so might be a good show to happen. - exciting
Dow- Setterfield
Wont happen Firstly because Setterfield is playing OK ( I am not one who puts him in this supposed bottom 6) and two it is not a like for like change. Dow can't run the wing he does not have the endurance. Third I don't think Dows form in the VFL warrants selection.



Setterfield played his worst game of the year vs Freo.

Voss wont pump him up now his 50th game in front of his parents has past.

and I agree about Dow.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:24 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
We are still seen as the team that you can turn your form around, the team that you turn your season around and the team that if your season is going so shitly you can still bag a win and sell a few memberships.

Until we are not that team North have a more than adequate chance against us.


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We are also seen as a team where you can turn your form around after half time.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Without looking at stats from either team these would be my like for like changes:
Plowman for Parks
LOB for Cottrell
Stocker for Boyd
JSOS for Pitto (if injured)/TDK
Kennedy/Carroll for Newnes



I've changed my mind about wholesale changes since we lost our first game this year.
I agree with 99prelim, there's no point rewarding mediocrity from our bottom six week in week out.

I have no problems with those changes.
If Carroll is elevated due to good form and Kennedy is fit again, add another one out ... Fisher, Owies, Setterfield, Durdin, take your pick.
Add Motlop.

Its North for goodness sake. Its a chance to build our percentage let alone win. We have to turnover our bottom 6...in our case we currently have problems with our bottom 8.

I thought about those changes too.
My only concern with Fisher is we still need speed and swapping him with Carroll will be like for like with little gain, IMO.
As for Owies and Durdin, they really didn't get to see much ball in the F50. Durdin played most of his game in the defensive half of the ground and Owies spent the most time of all the forwards deep in the F50 with little ball to see.
Setterfield, we don't actually have a replacement for a 192cm wingman and we really need his size to stop Harry and Charlie from coming down. Maybe he just needs new direction, contest every mark and have a mid there to crumb every time.

It's a tough one, we really need an Ed Langdon or Isaac Smith to control the wing and keep our forwards at home, especially with the 6-6-6 rule.
This is where McGovern would be good, if he could stay on the park or a JSOS with more speed.

With North, I'd just be happy with a win as they are our Hoodoo team and they pumped us last year when they were on the bottom.


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carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Without looking at stats from either team these would be my like for like changes:
Plowman for Parks
LOB for Cottrell
Stocker for Boyd
JSOS for Pitto (if injured)/TDK
Kennedy/Carroll for Newnes



That all looks possible but Kennedy to come in for Newnes and Carroll for Cottrell

Does Carroll have the tank for a wing role?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:58 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:

I thought about those changes too.

My only concern with Fisher is we still need speed and swapping him with Carroll will be like for like with little gain, IMO.
Like for Like? One doesn't get near the ball in the seniors and the other is a taller player who was BOG in the reserves. Stuff him. He thinks his spot is a given.


As for Owies and Durdin, they really didn't get to see much ball in the F50.
And when it did go there, what did they do? AND what did they not do? I bet there's more to say about the latter

Durdin played most of his game in the defensive half of the ground
So he would have been the spare. Given ball was in their half more, what were his stats again? He's lost his mojo

and Owies spent the most time of all the forwards deep in the F50 with little ball to see.
that was the same cop out excuse he's enjoyed last 3 games....he's gone missing again, like last year.

Setterfield, we don't actually have a replacement for a 192cm wingman and we really need his size to stop Harry and Charlie from coming down.
Harry and Charlie come to the wing and mark the ball. They provide the link. Do you see Setterfield as the 6 foot marking wingman? No where near that, nor the ball.
Its true there's not much of an alternative. He needs a shake up in the twos like the above.


Maybe he just needs new direction, contest every mark and have a mid there to crumb every time.
Maybe. He needs something, and he will survive the chop because we haven't got much coming from the reserves till a few build their tanks

It's a tough one, we really need an Ed Langdon or Isaac Smith to control the wing and keep our forwards at home, especially with the 6-6-6 rule.
This is where McGovern would be good, if he could stay on the park or a JSOS with more speed.

With North, I'd just be happy with a win as they are our Hoodoo team and they pumped us last year when they were on the bottom.


I just want the 4 points too.

But the players look a bit complacent to me. Fearful of getting injured and missing the next game. Well dropping them will miss them a game, and maybe they can change their thinking about injury before possession.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:00 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Without looking at stats from either team these would be my like for like changes:
Plowman for Parks
LOB for Cottrell
Stocker for Boyd
JSOS for Pitto (if injured)/TDK
Kennedy/Carroll for Newnes



That all looks possible but Kennedy to come in for Newnes and Carroll for Cottrell

Does Carroll have the tank for a wing role?


Does Setterfield ... if he sprinys like a wingman should? He's not getting the ball.
Voss was teasing us about his importance.
The only thing I see is important about his presence is that we have to field 18 players on the ground, and he's making up numbers.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:46 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Without looking at stats from either team these would be my like for like changes:
Plowman for Parks
LOB for Cottrell
Stocker for Boyd
JSOS for Pitto (if injured)/TDK
Kennedy/Carroll for Newnes



That all looks possible but Kennedy to come in for Newnes and Carroll for Cottrell

Does Carroll have the tank for a wing role?


Does Setterfield ... if he sprinys like a wingman should? He's not getting the ball.
Voss was teasing us about his importance.
The only thing I see is important about his presence is that we have to field 18 players on the ground, and he's making up numbers.



I don't think he is. I have heard from a number of sources across the industry the same thing. Why did Geelong feel they needed Isaac Smith if the wing role wasn't seen as important?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:21 pm 
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Don’t think Motlop is ready. Can kick an opportunistic goal but a lazy player from the 2 games I watched. Would prefer Carroll or honey if he is ready….
Willo looked good on the weekend - I know he is a risk but he breaks the lines. Newnes is steady but never going to break a game open. Have they ever tried Willo as a high half forward, otherwise wing might be worth a shot.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:20 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
Don’t think Motlop is ready. Can kick an opportunistic goal but a lazy player from the 2 games I watched. Would prefer Carroll or honey if he is ready….
Willo looked good on the weekend - I know he is a risk but he breaks the lines. Newnes is steady but never going to break a game open. Have they ever tried Willo as a high half forward, otherwise wing might be worth a shot.



You know what Arnhem, I'd give it a shot this early in the season.

I'm not a Williamson fan, because his decision making/vision isn't going to improve.
In the backline, he's too much of a risk for me.

On the wing he will still take on opponents and continue to get caught, like has happened, because he takes risks.

But his aggression is something needed in footy.
He gets in their face, but backs it up with hard hits and solid tackles that hurt.

He can run, and he's quick. Leftie like LOB. So, two not so perfect footballers. They share similar tools.
Why not give Willo a go on a wing. They've let LOB loose.
Good to have choices later in the season, and we are bereft of options.

I think most fans would agree he's better on a wing from the little they saw of him.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I thought about those changes too.

My only concern with Fisher is we still need speed and swapping him with Carroll will be like for like with little gain, IMO.
Like for Like? One doesn't get near the ball in the seniors and the other is a taller player who was BOG in the reserves. Stuff him. He thinks his spot is a given.
V Port Fisher had 22 disposals, 2 tackles & 2 goals. He has kicked a goal in all bar Hawks and Freo games but he had 5 and 3 tackles respectively.
Carroll had 27 disposals, 3 goals and 2 tackles this week for his best game this season, in the VFL. Last week he had 23 disposal, 2 tackles and 0 goals.
Great stats but they are VFL stats, I'm not against a change but I don't see much difference, happy to be wrong. I missed watching the reserves this week, so I can only go by stats.


As for Owies and Durdin, they really didn't get to see much ball in the F50.
And when it did go there, what did they do? AND what did they not do? I bet there's more to say about the latter
Harry had less disposals (3 v Owies 9) and kicked 1 goal only as well. I think the system we play where our forwards lead down to the wing contributes a lot more to this than most realise, small forwards can't crumb goals at the feet of tall marking defenders when they mark the ball because our forwards are not in the F50 to help contest. Plus 56 v 38 inside 50's doesn't help.

Durdin played most of his game in the defensive half of the ground
So he would have been the spare. Given ball was in their half more, what were his stats again? He's lost his mojo
Spare/blocking space to prevent corridor movement. He's only 173cm and he's going up against 180cm plus mids and talls in the middle of the ground, I'm surprised he even made touch on the ball. V port he only had 8 disposals (5 this week) and only 6 v the Dogs. I think it's the role he plays, maybe his role needs to change but that would effect the team defence style.

and Owies spent the most time of all the forwards deep in the F50 with little ball to see.
that was the same cop out excuse he's enjoyed last 3 games....he's gone missing again, like last year.
His stats look the same for every game this year.

Setterfield, we don't actually have a replacement for a 192cm wingman and we really need his size to stop Harry and Charlie from coming down.
Harry and Charlie come to the wing and mark the ball. They provide the link. Do you see Setterfield as the 6 foot marking wingman? No where near that, nor the ball.
Its true there's not much of an alternative. He needs a shake up in the twos like the above.

This is the issue, Harry and Charlie linking up and not worrying defenders in the F50.

Maybe he just needs new direction, contest every mark and have a mid there to crumb every time.
Maybe. He needs something, and he will survive the chop because we haven't got much coming from the reserves till a few build their tanks
This is definitely an area where we lack depth and good talent IMO.

It's a tough one, we really need an Ed Langdon or Isaac Smith to control the wing and keep our forwards at home, especially with the 6-6-6 rule.
This is where McGovern would be good, if he could stay on the park or a JSOS with more speed.

With North, I'd just be happy with a win as they are our Hoodoo team and they pumped us last year when they were on the bottom.


I just want the 4 points too.

But the players look a bit complacent to me. Fearful of getting injured and missing the next game. Well dropping them will miss them a game, and maybe they can change their thinking about injury before possession.


The transition from defence is the big issue for me, it's always contested and in most cases crumbed by the opposition.
And our forwards are sucked up the ground to compete too often so when we do win the contest we don't have the open players or firepower waiting to hurt them in our F50.
Freo, Hawks and Port had this worked out and opened us up going back the other way.
Something needs to change, defence first is great but we need to play (in the words of Cazz) keepy offs until we get a good entry.
The system needs work more so than changing of the players in my view.

And I think not having Pitto and JSOS was a bigger loss to the team structure and game style than we think.


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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Without looking at stats from either team these would be my like for like changes:
Plowman for Parks
LOB for Cottrell
Stocker for Boyd
JSOS for Pitto (if injured)/TDK
Kennedy/Carroll for Newnes



That all looks possible but Kennedy to come in for Newnes and Carroll for Cottrell

Does Carroll have the tank for a wing role?


Does Setterfield ... if he sprinys like a wingman should? He's not getting the ball.
Voss was teasing us about his importance.
The only thing I see is important about his presence is that we have to field 18 players on the ground, and he's making up numbers.

LOB does though.


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If we can’t beat North this week ( by a decent margin) then we are kidding ourselves sitting in the top eight, and won’t deserve to be there. Any gains we have made this year will be totally shot to bits . An absolute must win .


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:49 am 
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If we can’t beat North this week ( by a decent margin) then we are kidding ourselves sitting in the top eight, and won’t deserve to be there. Any gains we have made this year will be totally shot to bits . An absolute must win .


Agree. North are total rubbish. The basic pass mark is a 7 goal win.


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