sinbagger wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Neil Mitchell on 3AW suggesting this morning the Elliot's name go back on the stand.
Why is it that after a person dies all their past sins, selfishness and gross misdeeds should be forgotten and forgiven. I don't get that. Why sweep stuff under the carpet and pretend it didn't happen. It happened. It's not Fake News.
I get the stories that Elliot loved the club. I'm sure they are all true. But if that is true why did he single handedly bring it to it's knees with the 'Brown Paper Bag Affair' and his lust for more and more power.
I don't want to speak ill of the dead but let's call a spade a #$%^ shovel. Elliot's selfish, megalomaniac actions as President of the Carlton Football club ultimately sewed the seed for close to a generation of failure.
He may well have been a great bloke, funny, gregarious, generous, a larrikin, a fine businessman and great father. But I only know him as the guy that cast a black cloud over the Club I support and bought it to the brink of handing back the keys to the AFL in 2002.
If Ian Collins had not come to the rescue I doubt Michael Voss would have had a club to Coach today.
For those that loved and admired Elliot, commiserations on your loss. Just please don't start to re-write history. I was there.
Regards Cazzesman
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t every club handing out paper bags and we were just unlucky as being the club picked to be made an example of?
If it was the scum who were first singled out and Elliot cleaned up his act like the other clubs did after the fact then we all wouldn’t be questioning his legacy.
Guess that makes it all alright then.
But........................................(from the Age - Sept 13th 2002-
Collins also said Carlton's debt was $9 million, about "triple that of any other AFL club". He said the social club, which carries most of the debt, was probably technically insolvent and Carlton faced a trading loss of up to $1 million this season - a figure disputed by Elliott, who put the loss at $500,000.The Brown Paper bags cost the club $1 million (rightly or wrongly) plus the loss of all those draft picks. But that was the tip of the iceberg.
Elliot had the club running on the 'never, never.' With no money coming in the club could hardly function. It was running on the smell of an oily rag.
In 2004 when I first started the 'Recruiting Department', for want of a better name, was basically 1 man and a dog and I was the dog.
I kid you not, there was Wayne Hughes full time and about 5 part timers across Australia. Shane O'Sullivan helped out, but he had his other job at the club. It went on like that for years. Hughesy was basically a one man band. I was part time, brand new and trying to find my feet and I was traveling all around the country. The club simply couldn't afford to pay another full timer.
Denis Pagan arrived thinking he was coming to the Mega AFL club and couldn't believe the financial state it was in. Sinbagger it goes far deeper than Lunch Bags.
Regards Cazzesman