That's actually quite unCarlton-like really. But yep I do recall that story.

And yep we were pretty rubbish in Parko's first year back in 91, but he got us playing pretty well in 92.

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Fair points ABNS.

My preference leans slightly toward retain Teague. You are not often going to have 2 coaches the calibre of Lyon & Clarkson available though, so I do understand for the club it is a big sliding doors moment.

Actually why can't we just see what Paganite's up to these days??

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It has to be the ‘name’ coach. We’re incapable of supporting anyone else.

That’s our culture, deep end for everyone.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

So do we accept that or do we say it’s time for a genuine change in ‘culture’?

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Don't they say a change is as good as a holiday?

Only the players can change the culture. "Name" coaches have done nothing. Coach can only drive it from there if the players want to change.

We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.

Just not into getting Lyon coming here. He's had success but a long time ago.

Im watching tonight, I'm seeing that next year we are going to be significantly younger, and I'm seeing a team playing for their coach.

I think change isn't necessary nor will it necessarily produce the outcome people expect.

plenty of talent and endeavour, but completely devoid of any
system.

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teague does he believes in them, remember?

lyon the loser who put all his savings in a get rich quick scheme his “financial advisor” set up does.

possibly clarkson in a years time does. (ideally to me teague goes around one more time and if no finals then see ya mate, cripps and the boys having fun or not, needs to be accountability for poor performances, especially lack of pressure in the contested ball).

i take back anything i said against Clarkson, i’d take him over Lyon any day of the week. much smarter, much more heart, much more vision and more class. sure lyons can squeeze the blood out of a stone, but it’s won him zero premierships.

also why did he get fired at freo? people are implying impropriety, i didnt get the gossip. links?


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i felt the same until i heard some ex-hawks players talk about his commitment to all his list as human beings not just as soldiers. prepared to admit i don’t know everything i’m still in shock.


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Needs to be a change 8 wins out of 22 with that list -very ordinary performance
Another disappointing season with little grit and no consistency at all apart from haemorrhaging goals
Couldn’t beat a top 8 side
Lost to GC Collingwood and North

Clarkson in my view is the one but I think he will take a year off

not with this board.
pagan
malthouse
lyon

see the pattern? too old, too past it.

also i don’t think he’s been in the system
long enough for all the pressure that comes from a club with a board of billionaires and the history and supporter base of blues. or to even understand enough about the game. maybe i’m wrong about that but risky.


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can’t argue with that logic. but please no. please.


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we need a coach like that but not him. saints supporters who know the game well hated him, considered him a drip. we need less X factor and more discipline, drilled systematic plays and understanding of footy patterns, accountability and on-field leadership. always have since the rot set in.

i still think these bad juju at blues on account of us drinking Matherson’s blood money. i know a guy who was a brilliant musician who suffered from depression (wrote most of a number one selling but never got writing credits and therefore income) who put his entire wage down a pokie before taking his own life. so many others like him, driver of domestic violence and finacial abuse of women and families. it’s some sick shit. coaches can’t wipe that slat clean in two seasons. no coach can.


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because some people (and clarkson and hardwick said as much today in direct reference to teague) that great or even decent coaches take years to develop as do winning cultures. he’s not been brilliant but he’s been good with the exception of a hand full of games (far out the port game and pies last year hurt a lot) .

the weak-minded culture amongst players that seem to have remote switched to their heads that oppositions can exploit has existed for 20 years since we got caught cheating in player payments under one of the most vile club presidents in the entire contemporary AFL system.

interesting that betts said when crows started winning lots of games against good teams their culture changed almost overnight. of course it was mnt overnight, it just looks like that on the surface because people become happier. but that’s a lot of hard work under the surface to establish the winning ways. and the winnings ways in AFL change from season to season, with one team always pushing the boundaries of the new rule interpretation to advantage (part of the tigers success i recon).


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this.


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and not lost his entire life savings to a get rich quick scheme his finacial adviser threw together. IQ does count doesn’t it? their always using chess métaphores in the media about coaches (chess at any level is much more about memory and preparation than anything else, according to legendary GM Bobby Fisher
and many others)


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interesting question.


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Don't care what other supporters think. The guy can coach and if Riewoldt is anything to go by, he has most of the playing on group on board.

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/nick-r ... ach-181688

Reckon he would come back too if Clarko was our coach.