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Mid season review possibly caused a second half of season football dept collapse - that's on the board.

No. That's on Sayers. He better make amends.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:29 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

“He has the full support of the party caucus.”

I’m with Bondi here. We’ve had a very public review of the football department, yet I wouldn’t have a clue what the Head of Football looks or sounds like. I just imagine he’s got a similar head to his mongoloid brother.

This is a bloke that is applying for the Collingwood list manager job - a literal paint-by-numbers type of post. Who the hell thought he was qualified to run the entire football department, let alone one that was rebuilding?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:34 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

“He has the full support of the party caucus.”

I’m with Bondi here. We’ve had a very public review of the football department, yet I wouldn’t have a clue what the Head of Football looks or sounds like. I just imagine he’s got a similar head to his mongoloid brother.

This is a bloke that is applying for the Collingwood list manager job - a literal paint-by-numbers type of post. Who the hell thought he was qualified to run the entire football department, let alone one that was rebuilding?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:35 pm 
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Thanks for all the input from everyone. I know there is a divide amongst all you fine people about what is happening to Teague. Forgive me if this has been covered. I haven't read all the posts. It's very upsetting, this roadshow. If Teague goes or stays, the board should reassess their place. There should be an extraordinary AGM; I don't know if there is petition as such. If someone can direct me to the it, if there is one, I'd be grateful.

Some of my thoughts FWIW:
1. Teague's appointment didn't follow the correct protocols.
2. He's done a fair job since his appointment but it has been below expectations.
3. He may not have been told, leading people to believe that he is gone. I don't think that is necessarily the case. They may be seeing how he goes tonight and then they can get a clearer picture. The football department; however, should have communicated with him as he has pointed out.
4. The review should have begun at the end of the year so that this media circus could have been avoided.
5. He can coach but needs improvement and the proper support.
6. He should have been allowed to bring in his own people when appointed.
7. He has played Sam Petrevski-Seton in the wrong positions and should have been given better opportunities as Eddie Betts pointed out, in the midfield. That also goes with Marc Murphy. He should have been played where he's best suited, which is a midfielder. He's gone now and that's a good thing so it's a moot point but I thought it important to mention.
8. He has been treated poorly which I sort-of covered here. It's not a good look for the club
9. He deserves a another chance. I'm not convinced but we chose him and he probably hasn't been given a proper chance but hat is just my opinion. One more year I think is fair, but again, thais is my own humble opinion.
10. It's a confusing time for everyone and whatever happens, we don't have much control but we can adjust the board situation if the will is there.

I hope this post finds you all well. I personally am struggling with all that's going on. I'd rather not go into the complexity with what's happening in our state and country but I'm not well. I hope things improve for me and for all of us.

Peace to you all and thank you for having me back.
Look after yourself Zoneman.... That's the most important thing at this stage...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:41 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

“He has the full support of the party caucus.”

I’m with Bondi here. We’ve had a very public review of the football department, yet I wouldn’t have a clue what the Head of Football looks or sounds like. I just imagine he’s got a similar head to his mongoloid brother.

This is a bloke that is applying for the Collingwood list manager job - a literal paint-by-numbers type of post. Who the hell thought he was qualified to run the entire football department, let alone one that was rebuilding?

Believe he's mates with Liddle.
I think it's not so much his qualifications - anyone who progresses their career is doing the next step for the first time. He'd been in the industry a fair while.
Really I think the main issue was having him in conjunction with a first time coach.
In fact he'd probably do ok if Clarkson came because Clarko will make all the decisions.
Teague needed someone who'd done it before and had the clout to pull Teague into line as needed.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:45 pm 
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WOW wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague was given the golden key to open up his career in AFL coaching without any due diligence. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to accept the job that he was too incapable of undertaking

He should feel blessed that better men before him and no doubt after him will not be afforded the indulgence he received and the opportunity to coach one of biggest AFL clubs in the country for 2.5 years

Teague has been treated magnificently by the CFC, including a high remuneration/capacity index


Your views seem a bit harsh. I think anyone would struggle mentally dealing with the public spectre of being sacked for an ongoing period of 2 - 3 months. Particularly during a COVID period with restrictions on soft cap spending and not being able to finish the final year of your contract.

I don’t think he is the right coach but I do feel for Teague. I don’t think the club has done him any favours in helping him to succeed. It will be five coaches in nine years and sums up where this club is at. The rest of the football world just laughs at us.


i don't believe I'm being harsh but I'll respect your counterview WOW

The rest of the football world have been laughing at Teague all year. He's not up to it...time for us to all move on from David Teague

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:49 pm 
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That'll be Teague's last game as coach of Carlton.

Time for a new coach and new era.

And maybe some defence.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:53 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

“He has the full support of the party caucus.”

I’m with Bondi here. We’ve had a very public review of the football department, yet I wouldn’t have a clue what the Head of Football looks or sounds like. I just imagine he’s got a similar head to his mongoloid brother.

This is a bloke that is applying for the Collingwood list manager job - a literal paint-by-numbers type of post. Who the hell thought he was qualified to run the entire football department, let alone one that was rebuilding?


He's contracted and as I've said before, I'm not against him being retained. But he needs to be better educated strategically and to be willing to accept and instigate that education.
If he's up to it, he'll survive the review and both he and the club will be better for it. It's a tough business and only the strong and persist survive. I have no interest in people looking for public support etc. Excel at your job and you'll endure.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:56 pm 
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Maybe Teague has saved his job.
That was our best last game loss in many a year

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:22 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
He's contracted and as I've said before, I'm not against him being retained. But he needs to be better educated strategically and to be willing to accept and instigate that education.
If he's up to it, he'll survive the review and both he and the club will be better for it. It's a tough business and only the strong and persist survive. I have no interest in people looking for public support etc. Excel at your job and you'll endure.

:clap:
I think it’s more likely than not he will go, but if the outcome of the review is that we decide to retain Teague for another year (I think he has a year to go on his contract?) - with a new team around him - I will be OK with it. I doubt that will happen though because bringing in a bunch of new assistants when a coach is in the last year of his contract isn’t usually the done thing (ie. if the coach is not extended then another clean out is needed because the new coach will want his own people).

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Maybe Teague has saved his job.
That was our best last game loss in many a year

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:34 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Mid season review possibly caused a second half of season football dept collapse - that's on the board.

No. That's on Sayers. He better make amends.

He will make a amends by sacking Teague and saying goodbye to you

Do you finally acknowledge Teague is done !!

Great 5 goals and 4 points run by gws , that was classic Teague for all his supporters to remember him by

Are you staying on after Teague goes ?? That’s the most important question

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
He's contracted and as I've said before, I'm not against him being retained. But he needs to be better educated strategically and to be willing to accept and instigate that education.
If he's up to it, he'll survive the review and both he and the club will be better for it. It's a tough business and only the strong and persist survive. I have no interest in people looking for public support etc. Excel at your job and you'll endure.

:clap:
I think it’s more likely than not he will go, but if the outcome of the review is that we decide to retain Teague for another year (I think he has a year to go on his contract?) - with a new team around him - I will be OK with it. I doubt that will happen though because bringing in a bunch of new assistants when a coach is in the last year of his contract isn’t usually the done thing (ie. if the coach is not extended then another clean out is needed because the new coach will want his own people).

You are seriously joking , come on don’t do a Walsh and be oblivious like that

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:37 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Mid season review possibly caused a second half of season football dept collapse - that's on the board.

No. That's on Sayers. He better make amends.

He will make a amends by sacking Teague and saying goodbye to you

Do you finally acknowledge Teague is done !!

Great 5 goals and 4 points run by gws , that was classic Teague for all his supporters to remember him by

Are you staying on after Teague goes ?? That’s the most important question


Most "important" question... I kinda feel honoured.

Why would I miss your salitiness and hysteria when he is retained for 2022?

This forum will be lolz galore


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:52 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Mid season review possibly caused a second half of season football dept collapse - that's on the board.

No. That's on Sayers. He better make amends.

He will make a amends by sacking Teague and saying goodbye to you

Do you finally acknowledge Teague is done !!

Great 5 goals and 4 points run by gws , that was classic Teague for all his supporters to remember him by

Are you staying on after Teague goes ?? That’s the most important question


Most "important" question... I kinda feel honoured.

Why would I miss your salitiness and hysteria when he is retained for 2022?

This forum will be lolz galore

BRo you are a joke , if you are so confident bet me , so put up or shut up

But you won’t cause you are Weak just like Teagues game plan against Brisbane 2019 to now !!

Flawed genius maybe hahaha

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
He's contracted and as I've said before, I'm not against him being retained. But he needs to be better educated strategically and to be willing to accept and instigate that education.
If he's up to it, he'll survive the review and both he and the club will be better for it. It's a tough business and only the strong and persist survive. I have no interest in people looking for public support etc. Excel at your job and you'll endure.

:clap:
I think it’s more likely than not he will go, but if the outcome of the review is that we decide to retain Teague for another year (I think he has a year to go on his contract?) - with a new team around him - I will be OK with it. I doubt that will happen though because bringing in a bunch of new assistants when a coach is in the last year of his contract isn’t usually the done thing (ie. if the coach is not extended then another clean out is needed because the new coach will want his own people).


All the noise out of Teague and his camp confirms he’s done


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:11 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

“He has the full support of the party caucus.”

I’m with Bondi here. We’ve had a very public review of the football department, yet I wouldn’t have a clue what the Head of Football looks or sounds like. I just imagine he’s got a similar head to his mongoloid brother.

This is a bloke that is applying for the Collingwood list manager job - a literal paint-by-numbers type of post. Who the hell thought he was qualified to run the entire football department, let alone one that was rebuilding?

That would be Cain liddle , the same man you pushed for Teague to get the job and same man
Who said that sos had a conflict of interest and convinced the Board to get rid of him

See the power the board gave liddle

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DesEnglish wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
He's contracted and as I've said before, I'm not against him being retained. But he needs to be better educated strategically and to be willing to accept and instigate that education.
If he's up to it, he'll survive the review and both he and the club will be better for it. It's a tough business and only the strong and persist survive. I have no interest in people looking for public support etc. Excel at your job and you'll endure.

:clap:
I think it’s more likely than not he will go, but if the outcome of the review is that we decide to retain Teague for another year (I think he has a year to go on his contract?) - with a new team around him - I will be OK with it. I doubt that will happen though because bringing in a bunch of new assistants when a coach is in the last year of his contract isn’t usually the done thing (ie. if the coach is not extended then another clean out is needed because the new coach will want his own people).


All the noise out of Teague and his camp confirms he’s done


That’s all we’ve heard the past month, noise from the Teague camp, an attempt to paint the club in bad light.

Good try by Pickers, pity it falls over as the review is bigger than Teague.


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If we were to make or change our decision on Teague based on one game we’re in more trouble than I realised.

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Looking at the landscape the way it is, either Teague is gone now or he is gone by the bye round next year.

There is a slim chance we come out firing next season and he retains his job but IMHO, we will need to back him in for 3 years (which won't happen) or he's gone next season anyway.

Had we made finals, then we likely would have extended his contract and that would have been enough but we are kind of in no mans land right now and with 7 coaches coming out of contract next season we are likely to go earlier than later.

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