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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:15 pm 
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I like DT alot. I met him many times way back when and he was always one of life's gentlemen.

He has done a long apprenticeship at several clubs and he knows how it all works. For whatever reasons he couldn't make it work at the Blues. I am all for giving a guy a chance but the inability to stem the bleeding game after game, suggest to me something is not right.

He is probably getting paid $500,000+ to do a job. Anybody getting paid that amount of money needs to have the skill set to get the job done in an upwards trajectory. 3 or 4 real improver's and a few others 'At required Level' is just not enough. And the Likes of Walshy and Weits would have improved under their own steam regardless.

Yes I get all the arguments about injuries, covid, politics, work cohesion etc, etc but that is the role he took on. You have to adapt and overcome adversity in life and particularly in the AFL. Adversity brings out the best in the best. As a player Teaghuey got the very best out of himself but I just haven't seen it here as a Coach. His job is to set the game plan and get the players playing that game plan.

So A) his game plan is flawed or B) he can't get the players all working together consistently. Either way it means he is struggling to connect the dots as Coach and educator. Injuries take away good players but is shouldn't effect the overall look of A) and B). Certainly you might lose without the good players but that shouldn't effect the overall game plan and player endevour.

As big Jack Reacher says 'Hope for the best and plan for the worst.' We haven't seen that Teaguey has a Plan for the worst.

Do I think the team will get better given time based on the past 2.5 years?..............maybe/don't know/could do/might not.

If the President and the Board has the same apprehension then they shouldn't procrastinate. This is a multi million dollar business organisation not a game of marbles.

If you ask the question....Who is more likely to make Carlton FC a better and more competitive team over the next 3 years - Teaghue or Lyon?

I think logically the numbers will always fall with Lyon based on his Coaching history.

Regards Cazzesman


Who would make the team more competitive....Ratten or Malthouse. Careful what you wish for. Teague went quite a bit better than Malthouse too.

Maybe the issue is elsewhere. Not fixed and it makes no difference who coach's us.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:17 pm 
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Ross Lyon is a good option given our position, well experienced, good footy brain , motivator .
May have certain human nuances the we’ll disagree with but whom hasn’t got those.?
A return to the big stage with a proud, long established club, eager to make amends for a 2 decades of disappointments. He may just be the ticket and do alright.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:21 pm 
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jim wrote:

Who would make the team more competitive....Ratten or Malthouse. Careful what you wish for. Teague went quite a bit better than Malthouse too.

Maybe the issue is elsewhere. Not fixed and it makes no difference who coach's us.


That Mr Jim is the $64 question. Your last sentence is the one that makes us all lose sleep every night. :cry: :cry:

The wealthy, power hungry, knife wielding ninja's behind the curtain are the ones we should all fear. :banghead: :banghead:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:23 pm 
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jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I like DT alot. I met him many times way back when and he was always one of life's gentlemen.

He has done a long apprenticeship at several clubs and he knows how it all works. For whatever reasons he couldn't make it work at the Blues. I am all for giving a guy a chance but the inability to stem the bleeding game after game, suggest to me something is not right.

He is probably getting paid $500,000+ to do a job. Anybody getting paid that amount of money needs to have the skill set to get the job done in an upwards trajectory. 3 or 4 real improver's and a few others 'At required Level' is just not enough. And the Likes of Walshy and Weits would have improved under their own steam regardless.

Yes I get all the arguments about injuries, covid, politics, work cohesion etc, etc but that is the role he took on. You have to adapt and overcome adversity in life and particularly in the AFL. Adversity brings out the best in the best. As a player Teaghuey got the very best out of himself but I just haven't seen it here as a Coach. His job is to set the game plan and get the players playing that game plan.

So A) his game plan is flawed or B) he can't get the players all working together consistently. Either way it means he is struggling to connect the dots as Coach and educator. Injuries take away good players but is shouldn't effect the overall look of A) and B). Certainly you might lose without the good players but that shouldn't effect the overall game plan and player endevour.

As big Jack Reacher says 'Hope for the best and plan for the worst.' We haven't seen that Teaguey has a Plan for the worst.

Do I think the team will get better given time based on the past 2.5 years?..............maybe/don't know/could do/might not.

If the President and the Board has the same apprehension then they shouldn't procrastinate. This is a multi million dollar business organisation not a game of marbles.

If you ask the question....Who is more likely to make Carlton FC a better and more competitive team over the next 3 years - Teaghue or Lyon?

I think logically the numbers will always fall with Lyon based on his Coaching history.

Regards Cazzesman


You can't argue with that.

Nice guy or not.

There's no semblance to an obvious game plan, or the players don't get it, because its too complex, hasn't been communicated succinctly, doesn't work.

Just can't continue like this.


Or the players are too half arsed and unmotivated to execute it properly, like it has been for our previous coaches this century. The others must have been pretty rotten given Teague's record has been better than everyone bar Ratten.


Given Ratts was in the job for five years and had a decent list to work with - Teagues record in his fifth year will be pretty good assume. The list is horribly overrated - can't believe people actually expect to play finals with this list.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:28 pm 
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Sums up our last 20 years.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:30 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Teague has shown no leadership, guidance for our younger players and has played the internal politics wrong...

The only weird for him come Monday when he does terminated, is his direct boss Brad llyod isn’t there anymore to deliver the bad news and his other boss judd isn’t there either

So I am assuming it will be luke sayers directly that will be delivering the news to him and tell
Teague at the same time , the review was nailed and it showed he had a lot of flaws to be a senior coach

And goodbye and good luck



You've seen the review then?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:31 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Why is it every time we are in a crisis, Kouta has to always come out and give his two cents. im sorry Carlton Champ but not the smartest tool in the shed. He thinks Teague is coaching well. Sick of this boys club mentality we have at the club, they will always back eachother up and talk with rose coloured glasses. This is why we have been shit for a long time.



Maybe he has more insight into the club than you do?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:35 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Ross Lyon is a good option given our position, well experienced, good footy brain , motivator .
May have certain human nuances the we’ll disagree with but whom hasn’t got those.?
A return to the big stage with a proud, long established club, eager to make amends for a 2 decades of disappointments. He may just be the ticket and do alright.


I think the fact that Lyon spent a few years under Robert Walls at the Tigers and then 5 years at the club with Parkin and Pagan instantly opens alot of doors with the old money brigade. Parkin and Walls still carry loud voices and influence behind the scenes and I have no doubt Lyon will be getting the lay of the land from them. After all Parkin and Walls came from the last bastions of success at the club so people listen.

He also has the inside scoop from his bestie SOS, so he probably knows where the hypothetical bodies are buried already.

So unlike, say a Pyke or Graham, who probably know no-one of real influence, half the job of winning the power brokers over, might already be done for Lyon by others.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:35 pm 
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Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:36 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
jim wrote:

Who would make the team more competitive....Ratten or Malthouse. Careful what you wish for. Teague went quite a bit better than Malthouse too.

Maybe the issue is elsewhere. Not fixed and it makes no difference who coach's us.


That Mr Jim is the $64 question. Your last sentence is the one that makes us all lose sleep every night. :cry: :cry:

The wealthy, power hungry, knife wielding ninja's behind the curtain are the ones we should all fear. :banghead: :banghead:

Regards Cazzesman



Agree.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:46 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


Don't try and deflect Walshy. Your post is like glass, everyone sees through it.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:51 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


Don't try and deflect Walshy. Your post is like glass, everyone sees through it.

Regards Cazzesman


Eh?
Deflect from what exactly?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:56 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


Don't try and deflect Walshy. Your post is like glass, everyone sees through it.

Regards Cazzesman


Eh?
Deflect from what exactly?


Being DT's BIL I suspect. :smoking:

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:59 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


Don't try and deflect Walshy. Your post is like glass, everyone sees through it.

Regards Cazzesman


Eh?
Deflect from what exactly?


Being DT's BIL I suspect. :smoking:

Regards Cazzesman


Oh ok - so whoever supports Teague is a plant, is a moron, knows nothing about football, etc etc

Is that what you're saying?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:02 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Bagging Kouta now?

Wow - he is a great bloke. Never ever underestimate how much one club players love their club - they wore the jumper and bled for it.

Who on the board has worn the club jumper and dropped blood for it.

We are passionate about our club but these guys love the club.


Don't try and deflect Walshy. Your post is like glass, everyone sees through it.

Regards Cazzesman


Eh?
Deflect from what exactly?


Being DT's BIL I suspect. :smoking:

Regards Cazzesman


Oh ok - so whoever supports Teague is a plant, is a moron, knows nothing about football, etc etc

Is that what you're saying?


I think he just meant you.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:09 pm 
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It's been 7 mins, he must be on his lunch break.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:16 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
It's been 7 mins, he must be on his lunch break.


Nah just cant be bothered responding to clowns that never post about football


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:16 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
It's been 7 mins, he must be on his lunch break.


Nah just cant be bothered responding to clowns that never post about about football


It's the rainbow socks isn't it?


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@#$%&! me - it's like NBA All-Star weekend the amount of dunks in here in the last little bit.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:23 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
It's been 7 mins, he must be on his lunch break.


Nah just cant be bothered responding to clowns that never post about football


I think you may have missed some I my past 20 posts.........................and yes you can possibly skip my 'Cross dressing, Hermaphrodite' post, but the rest are basically football related of sorts.................you be the judge. :thumbsup:

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