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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:43 pm 
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maybe our list is not good as we think /doesnt matter who coaches we need to recruit better or trade better ,we are no way a finals side


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:46 pm 
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I have faith in Nick Austin able to spot midfield talent.

Carroll and Jordan Boyd are strong around the hips and good kicks is a damn fine start with small sample size.

Fogs is going to be a mainstay and required pitbull around the contest with Stocker.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:55 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
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We havent had an engine room/midfield in years and the rebuild failed in the middle.

That's the problem and only problem.

So if this is the only problem and clearly the most important to Teague's success, then why have we brought in McGovern FWD (2018), Betts FWD, Williams DEF, Fogarty FWD, Pittonet RUC and Saad DEF instead of midfielders while Teague has been at the club?
And the midfielders we drafted while he has been coach are yet to play in the midfield, except Philp (injured) for one whole game.
That's 5 midfielders (including Kemp) over two season and 1 game between them and two of them are top 20 picks.
Surely you know that the coach has a say in who we trade and draft into the club, right?

And for fun I'll add 3 of our high draft pick midfielders that have been playing that are not even in the midfield, SPS DEF, Dow (until recently) FWD & Stocker DEF.
Wether you rate them or not, they are not in their drafted positions, the position we need them to have been playing for the last 2 years and they are all his decisions.


Ask list management.


List management is guided by what the head coach needs to fulfil his game plan.

What else do you have?


Then he got Kemp, Philp, Williams, Saad, Carroll and Durdin.

Other than Philp the rest are strong around the hips and non flakey.


I am unsure what point you are trying to make.
But if you are saying the others are flakey compared to the above, I'll have a go.
Kemp - midfielder will be played in defence and has only been played in defence in the VFL.
Philp - the only one he's played, is now injured.
Williams - Wanted to be a midfielder but turned out to only be a defender (who'd have thunk).
Saad - Is only a defender and does not address the only issue you state.
Carroll - Has shown great form in the VFL yet hasn't had the call up over players like Murphy, Dow, Setterfield, SPS, Cottrell, Williamson etc.
Durdin - Has only been played as a small forward in the VFL.

You're still avoiding the question.
Surely you know that the coach has a say in who we trade and draft into the club, right?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:57 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
I have faith in Nick Austin able to spot midfield talent.

Carroll and Jordan Boyd are strong around the hips and good kicks is a damn fine start with small sample size.

Fogs is going to be a mainstay and required pitbull around the contest with Stocker.

Yet Teague is playing Carroll in the VFL, Fog in FWD, then dropped and Stocker in DEF.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:59 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
I have faith in Nick Austin able to spot midfield talent.

Carroll and Jordan Boyd are strong around the hips and good kicks is a damn fine start with small sample size.

Fogs is going to be a mainstay and required pitbull around the contest with Stocker.

Yet Teague is playing Carroll in the VFL, Fog in FWD, then dropped and Stocker in DEF.


Carroll is first year player why rush him?
Fogs has been out of footy for two years and is bought into the team to apply pressure
Stocker is an interesting one. Seems he is making room for Dow to get games instead


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:01 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
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I have faith in Nick Austin able to spot midfield talent.

Carroll and Jordan Boyd are strong around the hips and good kicks is a damn fine start with small sample size.

Fogs is going to be a mainstay and required pitbull around the contest with Stocker.

Yet Teague is playing Carroll in the VFL, Fog in FWD, then dropped and Stocker in DEF.


Carroll is first year player why rush him?
Fogs has been out of footy for two years and is bought into the team to apply pressure
Stocker is an interesting one. Seems he is making room for Dow to get games instead

I guess interesting is the new incompetent then.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:05 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
I have faith in Nick Austin able to spot midfield talent.

Carroll and Jordan Boyd are strong around the hips and good kicks is a damn fine start with small sample size.

Fogs is going to be a mainstay and required pitbull around the contest with Stocker.

Yet Teague is playing Carroll in the VFL, Fog in FWD, then dropped and Stocker in DEF.


Carroll is first year player why rush him?
Fogs has been out of footy for two years and is bought into the team to apply pressure
Stocker is an interesting one. Seems he is making room for Dow to get games instead

I guess interesting is the new incompetent then.


Pfft cant have your cake and east it too. Dow has been gifted games - Stocker hasnt sooked it up playing in defence, out of position and doing a damn fine job seems to me its the opposite of incompetence only that Dow, LOB and Fisher need to be dropped otherwise you are right if they get a game after dropping SPS would be weird at best.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:25 pm 
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I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:53 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.


I have come to the same conclusion, too much of a culture of changing coaches, give Teague one more year.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:55 pm 
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Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:10 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
azzablue wrote:
99prelim wrote:
The Review will uncover many failings

One of them will be that Teague is a shizehausen senior AFL coach

Robert walls didn’t rate him a year ago , the crows game last year said it all about Teague as coach and what he stands for !!

How he was allowed to continue is beyond me, Teague has had several games like that this year and wasn’t dismissed

I look at port and think how are they 4th and we are 13th , there is no way there list is better than ours

We have lost 2 years under this guys coaching


I think you significantly overrate our list if you think its better than Port's



Let’s go thru it !!

Weiters ,Jones saad clearly cover their backline

Walsh cripps against wines and boak

There fwd like there 3 amigos and Dixon

McKay curnow Martin jsos

We just need a coach to get them mentally playing consistent footy with intent to win and a game plan

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:14 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,

Klopp was already successful before coming to Liverpool, but thanks again for comparison that makes no sense to Teague

Teague poor media performer , poor man manager and poor game strategist = fail senior coach !!

And I have plenty of examples if you like

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You forget to mention the pea hearts that are too lazy to run back with intent or the midfield isnt good enough with Dow, Fisher, SPS and LOb as get smashed in clearances every week giving opposition easy inside 50s by the truck load.


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azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,

Klopp was already successful before coming to Liverpool, but thanks again for comparison that makes no sense to Teague

Teague poor media performer , poor man manager and poor game strategist = fail senior coach !!

And I have plenty of examples if you like


I am talking about gamestyle.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.

Elliot has been gone for over 20 years so it’s time to let that go , he got us 3 flags and no one from the afl messed with us
Since then we have Collins the sell out , smorgon no idea and sticks the ratts knifer!! All presidents with no balls and yes people to the afl and no sense to instil any culture at our club !!

So please people get a grip and have a look at the people who came after Elliot

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:32 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,


Personally, I prefer the Abramovich approach of hire and fire. Has had far more success than Littlepool


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:45 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.

Elliot has been gone for over 20 years so it’s time to let that go , he got us 3 flags and no one from the afl messed with us
Since then we have Collins the sell out , smorgon no idea and sticks the ratts knifer!! All presidents with no balls and yes people to the afl and no sense to instil any culture at our club !!

So please people get a grip and have a look at the people who came after Elliot

Pratt might’ve been the worst of them all.

Christ, it’s like there’s a life debt of some sort the way his people have clung to power.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:55 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,

Klopp was already successful before coming to Liverpool, but thanks again for comparison that makes no sense to Teague

Teague poor media performer , poor man manager and poor game strategist = fail senior coach !!

And I have plenty of examples if you like


I am talking about gamestyle.

Gamestyle??
Walsh at hb and McKay 80
Metres away from goal in a crucial game is that game style ?

That’s like saying kloop playing salah as left back and Trent Alexander as a centre forward in a qtr final champions game ?

Would never happen

You reckon klopp would do that because klopp h

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:01 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
azzablue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.

Elliot has been gone for over 20 years so it’s time to let that go , he got us 3 flags and no one from the afl messed with us
Since then we have Collins the sell out , smorgon no idea and sticks the ratts knifer!! All presidents with no balls and yes people to the afl and no sense to instil any culture at our club !!

So please people get a grip and have a look at the people who came after Elliot

Pratt might’ve been the worst of them all.

Christ, it’s like there’s a life debt of some sort the way his people have clung to power.


No one in power has given a shit about our club that we all love since Elliot left

As much as I can’t stand McGuire , he loved the pies and would do anything for them
David smorgon and Peter Gordon at the dogs
Frank costa and Brian cook at cats
Kennett hawks

Richard colless and Andrew pridham swans

Who represents our great club , sayers ?? Hmmm jury out

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Elliott [REDACTED] this club up in so many ways its not funny.

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