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Bondi...I assure you I am chilled
O'Brien has been a disappointment. IMHO SPS has been a relatively bigger one (higher draft pick, more continuity to develop craft etc etc)
My comments were about how many games has he been gifted under Teague?
Also, I'm never a fan of discussing things in isolation because life doesn't work that way
You cannot isolate one player's treatment by the MC if there are glaring inconsistencies elsewhere (at least perceived).
My opinion remains that while O'Brien and Dow were gifted games under Bolton (which doesn't always equate to accelerated development), the perception with Teague is that some players are untouchable in the firsts, regardless of their output and some players need to bang down more doors that the opening credits of a Get Smart episode to get into the firsts
We'll agree to disagree as I really enjoy reading your posts
As Carltonians, we have plenty of emotional scars to show from the last 2 decades.
Its hard not to be emotional, and I don't believe for a minute posters at TC or any other of the great Carlton fan forums, are not emotionally invested in our rise on the ladder and the Holy Grail; No.17.
To answer your question re Teague gifting games to Obrien, that started when Bolton was sacked in June 2019 before round 13.
In 2019, Teague selected OBrien to play 10 consecutive games, so he got a good look at Lochie.
In 2020, Teague played OBrien vs The Crows game last year, which we lost; a really bad loss.
In 2021, the last game was 'gifted' by Teague, because it wasn't due to outstanding form in praccy games. Surprised us all, despite me giving reasons why Teague could select OBrien a week prior to the game, and it was not form related. We are an injury depleted list with a few underdone players playing on a big ground; hence runners wanted.
Teague and his favourites is another subject matter altogether. Its been discussed but I don't think its as big an issue as you make it.
McGovern I agree, like most onlookers, he was gifted games last year. Guilty... but that didn't cost OBrien a look.
Betts, I know is another you think is playing because of Teague's perceived favouritism, but I disagree with that. I rate Bettsy higher than any other small forward on our list at this minute, circa 2021, on any metric (other than years left in the game) AND Betts does not cost OBrien a spot in the 22.
Pick 5 (SPS) vs Pick 10 (Lochie) is subjective.
Firstly. have a look at the players SOS missed out on by taking those 2 players, and also have a look at their individual output. I'd guess you'd be on your own if you think OBrien has been better value thus far as a footballer. Maybe the numbers don't show that much difference, but for you the eye test suggests SPS has been gifted 81 games, and for me my eye test suggests OBrien hasn't done himself any favours in his 31 games.
Whilst you may think SPS doesn't cut it as a Defender, don't you believe that SPS might be better as a mid/forward of Forward/mid? or worth a consideration? or are you writing SPS off altogether? I'm interested. Everyone has a reason for their viewpoint, so its of value if you're a Carltonian.
SPS has incredible hands. Some of the things he did on Thursday winning the hot ground ball, and sometimes out of opposition hands is mesmerising. Maybe his defensive work is questionable, which it has been, and manning up is a bit loose at times, maybe not instinctive, and he's forced to play a role not ideal for his skillset but best available for now