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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:10 pm 
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I am starting to get really frustrated with the preparation of the squad. Andrew Russell was touted as the best in the business 3 years ago now we are getting more soft tissue injuries than ever. That may not be true but it certainly seems that way. FFS can someone at the club sort this out.


I can't see how Russell is implicated:

Charlie has a knee from an accidental fall outside of footy. Did it in 2019.
Marchbank, has had a serious back problem after his neck fractures caused from gutsy play in 2019.

Tom has a back problem from pushing his young body too hard...call it a fast bowlers initiation to the big time.
Newman snapped his patella tendon round 1 2020, and now there's patella issues. Peripheral player.
Bettsy is recovering from a calf sprain. He's 35yo this year. Same injury as last year.
Levi bruised his knee in a willing intra club game.

Philp no idea....he's a 20yo reserve.
Gov has soft tissue issue with hammie, which follows his history of fitness issues... and overtaken by Jack imo.

4 of them will be right for round 1.

There's 35 players competing for 22 spots in round 1.

From the footage of the match simulation the boys are not going in half hearted. There will be injuries to players in the season proper, as their will be in preseason games whilst they are playing for keeps.

If we play as we train, then there's a positive in all this on the flip side. The boys will be conditioned properly, ready and willing come round 1.

Bring on the 2020 Premiers.


Thanks Bondi!
I was starting to feel cr@p about the injuries but you have put it into a bit of perspective and more of a positive take - if we can't be positive at this time of the year, we never will be :-).


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:57 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
if we can't be positive at this time of the year, we never will be :-).


To be fair there are plenty in here who’ve already taken that step. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
I am starting to get really frustrated with the preparation of the squad. Andrew Russell was touted as the best in the business 3 years ago now we are getting more soft tissue injuries than ever. That may not be true but it certainly seems that way. FFS can someone at the club sort this out.


I can't see how Russell is implicated:

Charlie has a knee from an accidental fall outside of footy. Did it in 2019.
Marchbank, has had a serious back problem after his neck fractures caused from gutsy play in 2019.

Tom has a back problem from pushing his young body too hard...call it a fast bowlers initiation to the big time.
Newman snapped his patella tendon round 1 2020, and now there's patella issues. Peripheral player.
Bettsy is recovering from a calf sprain. He's 35yo this year. Same injury as last year.
Levi bruised his knee in a willing intra club game.

Philp no idea....he's a 20yo reserve.
Gov has soft tissue issue with hammie, which follows his history of fitness issues... and overtaken by Jack imo.

4 of them will be right for round 1.

There's 35 players competing for 22 spots in round 1.

From the footage of the match simulation the boys are not going in half hearted. There will be injuries to players in the season proper, as their will be in preseason games whilst they are playing for keeps.

If we play as we train, then there's a positive in all this on the flip side. The boys will be conditioned properly, ready and willing come round 1.

Bring on the 2020 Premiers.


So Russell who is in charge of the fitness program including rehab has nothing to do with any of the injuries?
Russell would be setting programs, workload, rehab pathways, monitoring training. DeKoning is young yes, but my question was about the amount of load he is given. That would be Russell and the monitoring of it is also Russell. Marchbank calf, is that also workload off of restricted training due to 2 years of injury, Philp soft tissue. Eddie Betts soft tissue. Casboult workload on a knee that was a problem? Mitch Mcgovern soft tissue hamstring, is that training workload?

Kemp ankle, Newman, fair enough. They were injuries to either playing or training misshaps

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:04 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
I am starting to get really frustrated with the preparation of the squad. Andrew Russell was touted as the best in the business 3 years ago now we are getting more soft tissue injuries than ever. That may not be true but it certainly seems that way. FFS can someone at the club sort this out.


I can't see how Russell is implicated:

Charlie has a knee from an accidental fall outside of footy. Did it in 2019.
Marchbank, has had a serious back problem after his neck fractures caused from gutsy play in 2019.

Tom has a back problem from pushing his young body too hard...call it a fast bowlers initiation to the big time.
Newman snapped his patella tendon round 1 2020, and now there's patella issues. Peripheral player.
Bettsy is recovering from a calf sprain. He's 35yo this year. Same injury as last year.
Levi bruised his knee in a willing intra club game.

Philp no idea....he's a 20yo reserve.
Gov has soft tissue issue with hammie, which follows his history of fitness issues... and overtaken by Jack imo.

4 of them will be right for round 1.

There's 35 players competing for 22 spots in round 1.

From the footage of the match simulation the boys are not going in half hearted. There will be injuries to players in the season proper, as their will be in preseason games whilst they are playing for keeps.

If we play as we train, then there's a positive in all this on the flip side. The boys will be conditioned properly, ready and willing come round 1.

Bring on the 2020 Premiers.


So Russell who is in charge of the fitness program including rehab has nothing to do with any of the injuries?
Russell would be setting programs, workload, rehab pathways, monitoring training. DeKoning is young yes, but my question was about the amount of load he is given. That would be Russell and the monitoring of it is also Russell. Marchbank calf, is that also workload off of restricted training due to 2 years of injury, Philp soft tissue. Eddie Betts soft tissue. Casboult workload on a knee that was a problem? Mitch Mcgovern soft tissue hamstring, is that training workload?

Kemp ankle, Newman, fair enough. They were injuries to either playing or training misshaps


you got me with Marchbank.

Guilty.

1-4 week suspended suspension.

Gotta learn from that. But I have to say...

I'm just glad they're all bustin a gut, and sometimes bones go with that....who could forget Docs knees. Shit does happen at training/ preseason.

Tom DeKoning was a man possessed at the hub and the off season by weights. Obsessed he can compete with the big boys 27yo and above ... after his 2nd preseason. Yeah right!

I'm sure we all believe Russell when he says he had to hold players back from time to time.

Players are obsessive too, more than anyone. They do more than the loads Russell gives them, to get even better.
They can't help it. They are going to get injured.

We've got a very good side without DeKoning, Marchbank, Betts, Gov and Levi, imo.
Maybe Russell's holding them back, because he can.
After all, there's 35 players fighting for 22 spots.

The abovementioned return to the team as the cream, along with Charlie's return later. Salivating.

Maybe Russell is innocent me thinx

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:59 am 
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To do this properly, one would need to look at the injuries we have had since Russell came to the club, compare it to other clubs and the AFL average. If we tend to have more injuries than normal, then what is the reason? Is it bad luck? Is it because some players are allowed to run amok off field? Is it because the club have been negligent in allowing some young players to push themselves too hard with too many training loads etc? Until we do this it is all speculation.

My point is you need to see the bigger picture and see if the club appear to have a problem at large.

In saying all this, personally when I hear of young players have stress related injuries I do wonder if the club have given them too many loads etc. But then I remember I have no idea what I am talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:12 pm 
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..also, there will always be players that just break down.. ....it's crap, but it's also nobodies fault..

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 pm 
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ffs, stop bumping this thread people.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:57 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:08 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Yes, you'll injure it


Don’t stress, Russell’ll fix it.

ll’ll

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:17 am 
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Charlie Curnow Knee
Levi Casboult Knee
Sam Philp Hip
Mitch McGovern Hamstring
Eddie Betts Calf
Brodie Kemp Foot
Caleb Marchbank Calf
Nic Newman Knee
Tom De Koning Back
Harry Mackay Ankle
Jack Newnes Ankle
Jacob Weitering Hip

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:23 am 
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Any update on H or Weiters? Levi likely to be ready for round 1?


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:00 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Charlie Curnow Knee
Levi Casboult Knee
Sam Philp Hip
Mitch McGovern Hamstring
Eddie Betts Calf
Brodie Kemp Foot
Caleb Marchbank Calf
Nic Newman Knee
Tom De Koning Back
Harry Mackay Ankle
Jack Newnes Ankle
Jacob Weitering Hip


Don't want to make too hard for the Tigers

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm 
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Why Harry was played when he obviously wasn't fit beats me.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:03 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Any update on H or Weiters? Levi likely to be ready for round 1?


Teague said in last nights press conference that H and Weiters should be right for round 1. Also that Casboult and McGovern would be available and if this practice game had have been later in the weekend that they both may well have played. Betts played VFL today.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:48 am 
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cortez wrote:
Why Harry was played when he obviously wasn't fit beats me.


Yep, I'd be interested to know the logic behind McKays management for this match.
Were they so desperate for us to be competitive in this match that they rolled the dice? Were they testing his resilience to see if he could work through the pain or was it more along the lines of mismanagement.
He went into the game with a pre-existing ankle injury, half way through the first quarter he was limping (See Pittonets first goal), with 3 minutes to go in the first quarter he goes to ground clutching his ankle and in the final minute he does the same.
It's then they decide to take him off. Surely fitness for round one should be the absolute priority. If he goes into the match hindered or misses the game, someone should be held accountable for the decision.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:43 am 
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Have to agree with the Harry discussion. Too early in the game for it not to be an issue beforehand.
Let’s hope the week off is enough time.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:18 pm 
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cortez wrote:
Why Harry was played when he obviously wasn't fit beats me.


Yep, I'd be interested to know the logic behind McKays management for this match.
Were they so desperate for us to be competitive in this match that they rolled the dice? Were they testing his resilience to see if he could work through the pain or was it more along the lines of mismanagement.
He went into the game with a pre-existing ankle injury, half way through the first quarter he was limping (See Pittonets first goal), with 3 minutes to go in the first quarter he goes to ground clutching his ankle and in the final minute he does the same.
It's then they decide to take him off. Surely fitness for round one should be the absolute priority. If he goes into the match hindered or misses the game, someone should be held accountable for the decision.


I don't think the club will admit if it was a risk or not.

I was always under the impression Andrew Russell errs on the side of caution. I hope he did. It doesn't look that way to me.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:18 pm 
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Eddie Betts - Calf - Available for selection.
Levi Casboult - Knee - "We expect him to be available if everything continues on the track he's been showing us."
Charlie Curnow - Knee - On track for return in second half of 2021.
Tom De Koning - Back - "He's back running and moving well, he'll start doing ball work next week. We're excited with how he's going."
Brodie Kemp - Foot - "He's just about to get out of the boot... Back running over the next 2-3 weeks."
Caleb Marchbank - Calf - "We're really happy with the way he's moving. We just need to make a decision on when we think he's ready to play AFL footy." Early in the season.
Mitch McGovern - Back - Likely to miss Round 1.
Harry McKay - Ankle - Test for Round 1.
Jack Newnes - Ankle - Test for Round 1.
Nic Newman - Knee - "He won't be available in the first 3-4 weeks of the season but after that, I would expect to see him back going again."
Sam Philp - Hip/Groin - "He's looking more powerful. We'll see him very early in the season."
Jacob Weitering - Hip - Available for selection.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 injuries
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:04 am 
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Wasn't sure where else to put this. Could finally have a new rule that may actually benefit us given our history of having players go down in the first quarter of a match:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... a6411fc01b

The AFL has revealed it could introduce a medical substitute which teams could use to cover serious game-ending injuries this season.

The league was widely expected to bring in a 23rd player as a new concussion substitute but, in an twist, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan on Monday night said it could be used to cover various medical issues.


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