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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:02 am 
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Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:34 am 
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ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


SPS form poor for weeks now and a few here calling for him to be dropped. Is he very lucky to be getting a game.
Dow injured early and getting back up to speed in 12 a side games.
Fisher injured comes back as a small forward and kicks 4.

Can you add a link to the stats you have found on Plowman please.

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:30 am 
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Can you add a link to the stats you have found on Plowman please.



Yep, I'll be interested to see the link as well.
Considering Plowman was in Carltons top five players on Champion Data's 2019 AFL Player Ratings list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:57 am 
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ferdinand wrote:
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I like Marchbank a lot, but at what point do we accept that he is the most injury prone player on our list?



Cuningham and McGovern say hello.


They get silver and bronze :wink:
Williamson only knocked off the podium this year too.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:03 am 
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ColourMan wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
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jamespul65 wrote:
another player i would trade is lachie plowman if you think about it , he doesnt provide any run from defence ,he gets out marked,he gets outrun, never helps teammate like 3rd man up,someone called him a selfish defender .I have watched him over the years and unfortunately this is my opinion.


Your eyes aren’t deceiving you, he’s statistically one of the worst defenders in the league (both in the air and on the ground), and, has been his whole career.

Even though he was contracted, GWS couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.

Meanwhile, we’re trying to turn Marchbank into a wingman because there’s only room for one of Plowman/Marchbank in the back half! :banghead:

We gave up something like pick 21 (Fogarty) and Tuohy to get pick 15 from the Cats, to satisfy GWS!


We also ended up with Macreadie and Williamson from that deal.


Not with our deal with the Cats, which was as follows...

Geelong gave us pick 15, pick 63 and Billie Smedts

We gave them pick 21 and Zach Tuohy

We forwarded pick 21 to GWS in a different deal, used pick 63 for Cam Polson, and Billie didn’t last long

Cats used pick 21 on Lachlan Fogarty, and Zach’s still going


You’re the one who referenced the GWS deal, you can’t just turn around and ignore it when it doesn’t suit your argument.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:44 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Ben McKay, no thanks

I have been watching him at north and he is a good player. Ahead of Harry in development.

Trouble is he plays fullback and we have the best in the comp.


Easy to say, hard to prove.

We held Harry back to develop and strengthen him. Ben played senior footy before Harry.
Ben was also shown the door back to the reserves, and has been inconsistent since.

If Ben could play the hardest position on the ground, like Harry, don' you think Ben would be playing there?

I love the fairy tale having sets of brothers playing, but I'm not that interested in Ben...unless he's good enough to take over from Jones one day.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:49 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
I like Marchbank a lot, but at what point do we accept that he is the most injury prone player on our list? We're probably at the point in our development where we look to trade away early picks and decent players for needs. We've only traded out decent players for picks so far, and over the next couple of years might see some decent talent moved on. We have a ton of pretty young early draft picks, and need some mid career stars to go along with them. If Marchbank was a piece of the puzzle that got us Papley we should consider it. There's every chance he only plays 50 games in the next 4 years, can we carry him any longer?



I agree Marchbank is made of tissue paper. Has been right through juniors. He turns 24 in December. He can play, when fit, so tossing him out now is an interesting decision. Hopefully our fitness guru can get him right.

I think keep him, unless we get an offer to good to pass up.

I guess that basically says I am on the Fence because of the dreaded word Potential.

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I'm not aware of Marchbanks injuries pre AFL.

However, his injuries whilst at Carlton aren't because he's made of tissue paper. That neck injury which kept him out for nearly all last year was because he dares to put himself in harms way.

His injury was a result of his courage. That's what we want from our players....all of them, and when they get inured from showing that quality, we should praise them and hope his luck turns.

I've seen his potential, and now I wait patiently for his time in the sun.

An offer too good to be true is called that for a good reason.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am 
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ferdinand wrote:
AGRO wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
I like Marchbank a lot, but at what point do we accept that he is the most injury prone player on our list?




Cuningham and McGovern say hello.



They get silver and bronze :wink:



Marchbank and Cuninham are around the same age. Marchbank has played 48 games and Cunners 26. Cunners gets Gold in the injury stakes

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:55 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


SPS form poor for weeks now and a few here calling for him to be dropped. Is he very lucky to be getting a game.
Dow injured early and getting back up to speed in 12 a side games.
Fisher injured comes back as a small forward and kicks 4.

Can you add a link to the stats you have found on Plowman please.

Regards Cazzesman




If Plowman picks up Rankine tonight you'll have all the stats you need.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:58 am 
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ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


Where did you get those quotes? and stats?

Last week Plow did look like he was running the defense, not Doc.
Has played really well last few games.

I don't like Plow playing on tall opponents. He gets outbodied by taller players too easily imo.
I like him playing against Small forwards.
Having said that, we will learn/confirm a lot about him if he gets Rankine tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:59 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


SPS form poor for weeks now and a few here calling for him to be dropped. Is he very lucky to be getting a game.
Dow injured early and getting back up to speed in 12 a side games.
Fisher injured comes back as a small forward and kicks 4.

Can you add a link to the stats you have found on Plowman please.

Regards Cazzesman




If Plowman picks up Rankine tonight you'll have all the stats you need.

:lol:


Great minds .... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:52 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Plowman 3rd in 2019 CFC B&F and a 3yr extension in 2020 would suggest his Coaches see what is really happening and they must be happy.

Regards Cazzesman


“Since entering the league, he has lost 46% of his defensive one-on-one contests - the second-worst losing rate of the top-200 players for contests defended“

That statistic was from his time at GWS... and he’s never been out of the bottom 10%, which means even though he may have improved, he’s still a defender who’s never been very good at defending... that’s what’s been happening!

Clearly, the coaches are happy!

I wonder if they’re the same coaches who don’t give SPS, Dow or Fisher any time in the midfield...


SPS form poor for weeks now and a few here calling for him to be dropped. Is he very lucky to be getting a game.
Dow injured early and getting back up to speed in 12 a side games.
Fisher injured comes back as a small forward and kicks 4.

Can you add a link to the stats you have found on Plowman please.

Regards Cazzesman




If Plowman picks up Rankine tonight you'll have all the stats you need.

:lol:


I hope so...............reckon Plow will destroy him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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I'd play Plowman on Rankine

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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snakehips wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
AGRO wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
I like Marchbank a lot, but at what point do we accept that he is the most injury prone player on our list?



Cuningham and McGovern say hello.


They get silver and bronze :wink:
Williamson only knocked off the podium this year too.



Did he do his back in the process?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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PLOWMAN ... rock solid again tonight!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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CK95 wrote:
snakehips wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
AGRO wrote:
ferdinand wrote:
I like Marchbank a lot, but at what point do we accept that he is the most injury prone player on our list?



Cuningham and McGovern say hello.


They get silver and bronze :wink:
Williamson only knocked off the podium this year too.



Did he do his back in the process?
:lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:12 am 
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When is TDK contracted until? need to lock him in.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
When is TDK contracted until? need to lock him in.
End of 2021 I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:48 am 
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snakehips wrote:
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When is TDK contracted until? need to lock him in.
End of 2021 I believe.



extend, now.

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