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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:30 pm 
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Geez, tough crowd. Clearly what if scenarios are not a hit. Peeps be too serious.



What if they're not?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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CK95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Geez, tough crowd. Clearly what if scenarios are not a hit. Peeps be too serious.



What if they're not?


Not tough?
Not a hit?
Not too serious?
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:22 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:18 pm 
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So here is a scenario:
Let's say Doc gets back on the park next year (fingers crossed).
Do we keep this dual Captain nonsense going or do we just lay it down and call it for what it is, fluff?
Because, Cripps has undoubtably proven this year he is the leader of the club. He shows all the attributes of being the Captain on and off the field. Plus he can will his way into a game and change the coarse of it, by himself.
Is it time to make him the sole Captain with Doc as vice (providing he plays again)?
It would be interesting to know what Cripps thinks of it and what effect that will have on his tenure as a blue.


On the one hand you calling it fluff, (FTR I'm not) then on the other you want to know what Cripps thinks.

Looking for issues which may not even be there>

I think it turned out a good thing having 2 captains when a bonafide captain went down with a knee for the season and yet we still have a bonafide captain leading the resurgence.

Strength in numbers.

Doesn't seem to be an issue. The place is rocking and I'm sure that's all anyone on our list cares about given where we have come from.

Lets all head to N0 17 asap with everyone in the selected 22 as a leader.


The fluff is having a captain off the field. Pointless really. And was probably instated to keep both parties happy when most would've put Cripps down as captain by himself.

Cleary you fall in the camp of participation trophies for everyone. That's cool. Not my thing.


Awful thing to say.
Especially so given you dont know me.

Easy fella.

We're talking about 2 fellas who have been selected by powers higher than you and I as leaders of our great club.

That's a fact. 2 captains.

As for ebery other teams....that's their business.

We will once again become the model club others follow ....its in our DNA to call our shots.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:26 pm 
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Antway I came to this thread to post an idea.

Following the game against the very skilled Wet Toast Igools , I was thinking along the lines of their strength in body size, their speed and skills both sides.

I look within our list and think of players with strong bodies and I see Cripps as having the right body shape to compete at that level.
I was thinking Stocker does and will improve, Walsh does and will surpass everything we perceive.

There's 3 in the middle.

Ed and Murphy (with new shoulders) they semm to body uo pretty well.

I'm hoping Setterfield takes the next step after a year recovering from an ACL.
He can do with a stronger body and capable of winning his own ball.

We are developing a list of inside outside players.
We have too many of them. The best wuil survive.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:43 pm 
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One thing that is apparent about Setterfield in the flesh is his size... big unit but doesn't quite look it for some reason

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:47 am 
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robertbb wrote:
One thing that is apparent about Setterfield in the flesh is his size... big unit but doesn't quite look it for some reason


I agree.

Standing next to him, he's tall, Kouta tall, but not Kouta size.

He was a really good runner when he was a kid. Not express but had a good engine.

I'd love to see him attack the preseason with absolute confidence in his knee and fill out that body to add contested ball to his repertoire. If he can use that big frame in the coal face, and win his own ball, then we have Walsh, Ed, Setters along with Cripps as inside outside players, and will go along way taking off pressure off Cripps. Then there's Stocker and Cuningham with strong bodies who can also go through the middle as inside outside mids. Fisher, SPS and Gibbons have proven themselves with the contested ball too despite their size.

Interesting the profile of mids SOS has built.

If Setters and Cripps can take on the bulk of the inside contest, Kennedy becomes a depth player imo.

I'm expecting at least one big fish this trade season, a midfielder, and maybe 2.
A Jetta/ Hill type with speed on the wing and HBF would top things off.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:18 am 
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We have 2 very good players in Setterfield and Kennedy that will be big assets in a year or two. We just don’t realise how much they will add to this team just yet.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:25 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
So here is a scenario:
Let's say Doc gets back on the park next year (fingers crossed).
Do we keep this dual Captain nonsense going or do we just lay it down and call it for what it is, fluff?
Because, Cripps has undoubtably proven this year he is the leader of the club. He shows all the attributes of being the Captain on and off the field. Plus he can will his way into a game and change the coarse of it, by himself.
Is it time to make him the sole Captain with Doc as vice (providing he plays again)?
It would be interesting to know what Cripps thinks of it and what effect that will have on his tenure as a blue.


On the one hand you calling it fluff, (FTR I'm not) then on the other you want to know what Cripps thinks.

Looking for issues which may not even be there>

I think it turned out a good thing having 2 captains when a bonafide captain went down with a knee for the season and yet we still have a bonafide captain leading the resurgence.

Strength in numbers.

Doesn't seem to be an issue. The place is rocking and I'm sure that's all anyone on our list cares about given where we have come from.

Lets all head to N0 17 asap with everyone in the selected 22 as a leader.


The fluff is having a captain off the field. Pointless really. And was probably instated to keep both parties happy when most would've put Cripps down as captain by himself.

Cleary you fall in the camp of participation trophies for everyone. That's cool. Not my thing.


Awful thing to say.
Especially so given you dont know me.

Easy fella.

We're talking about 2 fellas who have been selected by powers higher than you and I as leaders of our great club.

That's a fact. 2 captains.

As for ebery other teams....that's their business.

We will once again become the model club others follow ....its in our DNA to call our shots.


Yeah sorry Bondi, I got a little carried away there. I pulled the 44 on you and went a bit postal. :screwy:

I guess for me personally, I have never really been a fan of dual captains (if you couldn't tell), but it will be interesting in how it will work (or if it does) when they are both on-field at the same time.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:56 pm 
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While everyone are talking the young boys up (and I agree) don't forget in the next year or two Murphy will retire as will Simmo and Daisy. Kreuzer if he doesn't retire will become less effective with his ongoing injuries.

They are four current guns that need to be replaced.

One mid, one ruck, and two running backs.

It is an on going process.

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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:22 pm 
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Each of those senior players have replacements for their roles on the list. They’re just not playing those roles right now due to physical maturity or injury. I think they have the ability.

Murphy - Dow Fisher
Simmo - Stocker Docherty
Thomas - Williamson Cuningham Schumacher
Kreuzer - TDK.

I think we have got the right odds of replacing each of them given what we have in reserve. Its about their development and injury management but they all have the ability to produce what the senior players produce.

We have the young core of 7 that in my opinion will lead the way

Cripps
Weitering
Curnow
McKay
Walsh
SPS
Setterfield

But yes, still need a mid, ruck and small forward in the right age bracket to be sure.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:33 pm 
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We have 2 very good players in Setterfield and Kennedy that will be big assets in a year or two. We just don’t realise how much they will add to this team just yet.
Yep. Kennedy is very underrated.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:42 pm 
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Personally I don't think Williamson will make it. His injuries are pretty questionable for a young kid. And although I think Cunningham is a talent, his injuries are also an issue. I also 'with fingers crossed' question if Doc will ever make a return.
Let's hope for the both of them, they can grow out of it and Doc's knee problems are behind him.

For me this year should be 1 or preferably 2 mature mids and an unloved developing ruck or mature one at the back of the draft at minimum. If we manage to snag a Papley like player with no affect on trading in mids then I'm all for that too.


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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:53 pm 
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Williamson, Docherty and Cuningham could all either never play again or never reach their potential due to injuries. And that would be terrible both for them and the club. But there are others on the list who will step up as I indicated. In list management terms it’s obviously not great but for what we already have, also not devastating.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:23 pm 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Kreuzer - TDK.

TDK is a fair way behind Phillips, who is not even in the same league as Kreuzer.

He can only get better with time, but there’s a big gap between him and league footy.

If the club can afford the extra spending, a full time ruck/stoppages development role in the coaching staff will help.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:11 am 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Each of those senior players have replacements for their roles on the list. They’re just not playing those roles right now due to physical maturity or injury. I think they have the ability.

Murphy - Dow Fisher
Simmo - Stocker Docherty
Thomas - Williamson Cuningham Schumacher
Kreuzer - TDK.

I think we have got the right odds of replacing each of them given what we have in reserve. Its about their development and injury management but they all have the ability to produce what the senior players produce.

We have the young core of 7 that in my opinion will lead the way

Cripps
Weitering
Curnow
McKay
Walsh
SPS
Setterfield

But yes, still need a mid, ruck and small forward in the right age bracket to be sure.

In which case the young 'uns who step up leave a hole where they were.

As I said, it is an ongoing process. That is what did us in close to 20 years ago. Not covering the holes then panicking when they appeared.. Under SOS and BB and now maybe DT we now appear to be a far more stable and long sighted club.

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 Post subject: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:25 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
Each of those senior players have replacements for their roles on the list. They’re just not playing those roles right now due to physical maturity or injury. I think they have the ability.

Murphy - Dow Fisher
Simmo - Stocker Docherty
Thomas - Williamson Cuningham Schumacher
Kreuzer - TDK.

I think we have got the right odds of replacing each of them given what we have in reserve. Its about their development and injury management but they all have the ability to produce what the senior players produce.

We have the young core of 7 that in my opinion will lead the way

Cripps
Weitering
Curnow
McKay
Walsh
SPS
Setterfield

But yes, still need a mid, ruck and small forward in the right age bracket to be sure.

In which case the young 'uns who step up leave a hole where they were.

As I said, it is an ongoing process. That is what did us in close to 20 years ago. Not covering the holes then panicking when they appeared.. Under SOS and BB and now maybe DT we now appear to be a far more stable and long sighted club.


Agreed. That’s where the likes of the next lot of youngsters can feature, Deluca, Owies, Macreadie. And then the value propositions like Newman and Gibbons have done, and there are others out there like them.

But we have got the core and the spine right. The rest is doable and the success of Newman and Gibbons gives me hope we can start building out of state leagues and value trades. Something until this year SOS and his team had failed at in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:19 am 
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If Brad Hill wants to come back to Melb, would you give up a first round on him?

Personally I would as he is the right age and offers something different in the team for a pick 11ish.

Let's say we do, that's Stocker and Hill for pick 3 - I am happy with that :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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What's Brads run with injuries like?
I think Stephen has had a few.
Plus isn't he already linked with the Hawks/Saints?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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How can anyone know if they're happy with Stocker before he's played 50-75 games?

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