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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:12 pm 
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Barker And Bolts Rexy.
Too much talk
Not enuff dash and dare.
He is a bit anal as it turns out.
Had a good go.
Reckon he has lost the players
Because the players are lost.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:16 pm 
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Bolton has no history of ever being a successful AFL coach. We can't risk this team of young talent in the hands of someone so inexperienced.

Process of elimination - take out Bolton and bring in someone with a different approach for the next 14 games. In the meantime, search for or get the best available coach to bring us back on course.


Neither did Buckley when he took over the pies, I don’t get this point.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:19 pm 
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I would rather Bolton stay because he has some good traits that I like.

But he and Lloyd have to meaningfully change things up in the coaching dept because it's not working at the moment.


Agree Rexy Bolton has some very good qualities but he needs a updated mentor.
He’s too rigid and unadventurous .
We don’t expect tactical genius but something has got to give.
I’m not an expert, Brendon needs more flexibility, grit and pride in players method.
Not easy to do as these youngsters are deflated, to get some buoyancy back may take more than Brendon has.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:24 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
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Before the game I was worried and said so to my brother, St Kilda has smashed us recently - I wondered why.

Then their team ran out and our team ran out and I saw why. They looked huge compared to us, all of us with the exception of Cripps. They just looked huge.
The we decided to walk not run, kick to them not to each other, stop not go forward, lead to the boundary not up the guts, kick to SOS not Harry or Curnow...

We were playing well and didn't get the wins...now we are playing awful - I think Adelaide will be very happy. I do like Stoker though, fearless. And Walsh...thank God for Walsh!


I believe the strategy was always that we didn't want to add more talented kids this year, but rather trade our first round for a best mature player that we can get a deal done i.e Coniglio

So let's assume that we get it done, would you be happy with Coniglio and stoker for a top 3 draft pick?



I truly hope that Silvagni has the plan you mentioned in mind re the pick swap, Coniglio or any other quality mature bodied midfielder, we’re not fixated with Coniglio.
Otherwise the exercise will be a very big boob-boob.


I only meant Coniglio as an example, I would hope that we can get something outside the box and a little unexpected.

I agree fully that SOS has put a heap of pressure on himself if he cant get it done
Well you did say "ie Coniglio", so you didn't say it like an example.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:41 pm 
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Our skills for the entire team is pathetic, can anyone tell me who our best foot passer is?
If the entire team as a whole has skills problem, it means there is something seriously wrong with our training.

And it's not even kicking, it's the basic hand-balling skill, we can't even do it properly, it's always wobbly, high in the air, and missing targets.

And can any of our players do a low foot pass? the ones that goes straight at a players chest level instead of bombing it high in the air.

I don't think Bolton has the attention to detail to know and fix these problems, so he has to go.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:44 pm 
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Our skills for the entire team is pathetic, can anyone tell me who our best foot passer is?
If the entire team as a whole has skills problem, it means there is something seriously wrong with our training.

And it's not even kicking, it's the basic hand-balling skill, we can't even do it properly, it's always wobbly, high in the air, and missing targets.

And can any of our players do a low foot pass? the ones that goes straight at a players chest level instead of bombing it high in the air.

I don't think Bolton has the attention to detail to know and fix these problems, so he has to go.
I think Bolton pays to much attention to detail

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:51 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I would rather Bolton stay because he has some good traits that I like.

But he and Lloyd have to meaningfully change things up in the coaching dept because it's not working at the moment.


Agree Rexy Bolton has some very good qualities but he needs a updated mentor.
He’s too rigid and unadventurous .
We don’t expect tactical genius but something has got to give.
I’m not an expert, Brendon needs more flexibility, grit and pride in players method.
Not easy to do as these youngsters are deflated, to get some buoyancy back may take more than Brendon has.


I just look at Hardwick and Buckley and think things can turn around if meaningful change is made in the FD.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:55 pm 
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We are haemorrhaging life force right now. It has to be treated. That word is not easy to spell!!


I’m worried that the haemorrhaging will come at trade time as the young guys bail on us.

If you were young and talented why would you stay?

If you were A Grade talent why would you come?


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:34 pm 
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I’d count myself as rusted on to the current process, but geez it’s hard to find a silver lining.

“We got beat but gee our pressure was amazing” or “at least our skills were good” or “at least our 3 young midfielders are playing great footy”.

I am just struggling to find something to see that gives faith.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:42 pm 
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We are all doomed!

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 1:55 pm 
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AIRCAV wrote:
I’d count myself as rusted on to the current process, but geez it’s hard to find a silver lining.

“We got beat but gee our pressure was amazing” or “at least our skills were good” or “at least our 3 young midfielders are playing great footy”.

I am just struggling to find something to see that gives faith.


I honestly don't know what to make of this season. I didn't expect an immediate leap up the ladder but I certainly expected to go into the half way point with more than one win on the board. I also thought the days of getting hammered by shithouse teams was behind us but the North Melbourne game put paid to that expectation.

While I'm in the "wait until the end of the year" camp I understand the calls to show Bolton the door. It's just that recent history says it's going to change bugger all at this club.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:13 pm 
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Bring on the Cricket World Cup ... or the Basketball World Cup ... or anything.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:22 pm 
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Happy with Stocker and yes if we land an experienced big body then we will have done very well.

Someone mentioned kicking - so I'd say Stocker and Walsh are excellent.

I didn't think Kennedy was too bad first game back in the bigtime.

I wonder if playing Kerr (I'd drop and shift McGovern) would help with our structure - twice on Sunday we lost our structure and if they had kicked straight it could have gotten really ugly (and yes it was ugly anyway).

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 3:06 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Bring on the Cricket World Cup ... or the Basketball World Cup ... or anything.


I was told the Netball World Cup is also on this year.
It's in Liverpool.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 4:29 pm 
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Bring on the Cricket World Cup ... or the Basketball World Cup ... or anything.

Matildas!


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 4:55 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Before the game I was worried and said so to my brother, St Kilda has smashed us recently - I wondered why.

Then their team ran out and our team ran out and I saw why. They looked huge compared to us, all of us with the exception of Cripps. They just looked huge.
The we decided to walk not run, kick to them not to each other, stop not go forward, lead to the boundary not up the guts, kick to SOS not Harry or Curnow...

We were playing well and didn't get the wins...now we are playing awful - I think Adelaide will be very happy. I do like Stoker though, fearless. And Walsh...thank God for Walsh!


I believe the strategy was always that we didn't want to add more talented kids this year, but rather trade our first round for a best mature player that we can get a deal done i.e Coniglio

So let's assume that we get it done, would you be happy with Coniglio and stoker for a top 3 draft pick?



I truly hope that Silvagni has the plan you mentioned in mind re the pick swap, Coniglio or any other quality mature bodied midfielder, we’re not fixated with Coniglio.
Otherwise the exercise will be a very big boob-boob.


I only meant Coniglio as an example, I would hope that we can get something outside the box and a little unexpected.

I agree fully that SOS has put a heap of pressure on himself if he cant get it done
Well you did say "ie Coniglio", so you didn't say it like an example.

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OK, what subtlety have I missed in that post, Moshe?

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:31 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I just look at Hardwick and Buckley and think things can turn around if meaningful change is made in the FD.


Dimma and Bucks never finished last.
Bolton has been far worse than those two ever were.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:49 pm 
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Don't worry about individuals. Give them a good game plan that suits their strengths and watch these players suddenly come good. In our case, we need to let our players just take the game on. We produced the 6 best qtrs in years when we were allowed to do that against the Dogs and Hawthorn. All those young ones we bag we all very good. Right now we have kicked the flair right out of them and their confidence this stuffed.


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The club has to replace Barker before giving up on Bolts.


I was fortunate enough to attend the presidents lunch and sit in the pre game coaches briefing to the players pretty much this time 4 years ago at Barker's first home game after we sacked Malthouse.

It was against Port Adelaide at the MCG, a game we won.

A fair chunk of the briefing was trying to build up the confidence in the players that they didn't need to be scared of making mistakes anymore and to have confidence to take the game on and not worry about the angry old guy yelling at you etc etc- and strategically i remember as plain as day the drawings and writing on the board along with the discussions to look inboard and use the corridor, play on at angles where you can towards the middle to open the ground up and make the switch effective - no need anymore to stop and only bomb long down the line to a contest.

It's quite miserably deflating that here we are 4 years later almost in the same position , with the players lacking confidence, a gameplan of long bombing down the line and talks of sacking the coach for an interim to come in and lift spirits

That game was a ripper , I honestly can't remember our gamestyle for the rest of Barkers tenure but i do remember that several club "powerbrokers" were convinced Barker was the man for the long term gig and i was pretty much called a liar on this board at the time but it happened that some people who input significant amounts of support and money to the club were actually told by the club that Barker got the gig prior to the Bolton announcement.

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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:25 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
jim wrote:
Don't worry about individuals. Give them a good game plan that suits their strengths and watch these players suddenly come good. In our case, we need to let our players just take the game on. We produced the 6 best qtrs in years when we were allowed to do that against the Dogs and Hawthorn. All those young ones we bag we all very good. Right now we have kicked the flair right out of them and their confidence this stuffed.


Rexy wrote:
The club has to replace Barker before giving up on Bolts.


I was fortunate enough to attend the presidents lunch and sit in the pre game coaches briefing to the players pretty much this time 4 years ago at Barker's first home game after we sacked Malthouse.

It was against Port Adelaide at the MCG, a game we won.

A fair chunk of the briefing was trying to build up the confidence in the players that they didn't need to be scared of making mistakes anymore and to have confidence to take the game on and not worry about the angry old guy yelling at you etc etc- and strategically i remember as plain as day the drawings and writing on the board along with the discussions to look inboard and use the corridor, play on at angles where you can towards the middle to open the ground up and make the switch effective - no need anymore to stop and only bomb long down the line to a contest.

It's quite miserably deflating that here we are 4 years later almost in the same position , with the players lacking confidence, a gameplan of long bombing down the line and talks of sacking the coach for an interim to come in and lift spirits

That game was a ripper , I honestly can't remember our gamestyle for the rest of Barkers tenure but i do remember that several club "powerbrokers" were convinced Barker was the man for the long term gig and i was pretty much called a liar on this board at the time but it happened that some people who input significant amounts of support and money to the club were actually told by the club that Barker got the gig prior to the Bolton announcement.


That's basically what any suburban coach tells their team to do. That might have been the exact right simple message at that stage given what MM had done to them but I'm sure Barker has a more technical side to his coaching which he would've introduced in the games thereafter.

Of the 14 games he coached he lost 11 of them by an average of over 50 points. One of the losses by 138 points.

Bottom line, Barker has been there a long time in a key strategic role. The coaching dept need to change things up. He's the obvious one to move on, imho.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:36 pm 
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My post was more to highlight the sad state of affairs of how we are in a very similar position 4 years down the track

I'm not advocating Barker get the gig now.

Though i was 4 years ago , of course there was more to him than the part i wrote and you highlighted

And the list now is far far superior to 4 years ago

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