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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:26 am 
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Agree doof.
Thought Bolts was excellent post game and well awRe of strengths and weaknesses. I feel if we'd had Philips and Charlie, the result would have swung our way. We need a superb dynamic small forward. Hoping that will be Cunners..
Maybe Pickett when he comes back...or Kennedy. The latter was sitting across the aisle from us with his family. All the other injured lads were a few rows back watching keenly.
Really tempted to get a pic with Charrllee..
But thought better of it. They must have felt like pandas at the zoo. :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:36 am 
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doofdoof wrote:

we've got the bones of a really good side. no need to panic



we do. and while we shouldn't be panicking. we'd be not doing due diligence as a club not to be thinking about what next, and a 'plan B' should the worst happen, and bolton get marched.

... could be why walls is here. not to only help the current structure and personnel, but also with one eye on the future should it all go tits up.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:41 am 
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What's becoming sadly more obvious is, apart from Simmo, our over 26yo's just aren't very good anymore.

Compare them to other 'young' teams older players and it's a problem for Bolton.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:54 am 
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What's becoming sadly more obvious is, apart from Simmo, our over 26yo's just aren't very good anymore.

Compare them to other 'young' teams older players and it's a problem for Bolton.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:57 am 
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What's becoming sadly more obvious is, apart from Simmo, our over 26yo's just aren't very good anymore.

Compare them to other 'young' teams older players and it's a problem for Bolton.


And you've hit the nail on the head. We are a young team that still requires on-field leadership especially with the new runner rules, it is a massive change and I'm not sure some people fully grasp how big it is. This is not an excuse for players missing easy targets or being in the right spot on the ground, but it would help them choose the right targets and options under pressure with this on-field direction. As much as the bloke is a flog, BJ would've been a good get to direct traffic from the backline. What was also apparent is the our mids are still too small to match it with the big boys, if people wanted results straight away we really needed 1 or 2 older (30+), wiser big body mids to help direct the kids. Crippa can only be in one place at a time.

We have the right bones now and it will change with time, but for the old faithful impatient blues calling for heads after rounds 1,2 & 3, this wreaks of old Carlton and the self sabotaging that got us here in the first place. The times have changed and some people just can't see it and they need to. At least the club can!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:15 am 
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What's becoming sadly more obvious is, apart from Simmo, our over 26yo's just aren't very good anymore.

Compare them to other 'young' teams older players and it's a problem for Bolton.


We could have certainly recruited a player like Hodge to help our youngsters.

Whilst at the game, I kept looking at our structure and it was clear that Sydney were far more disciplined in keeping their players at all the outlets and did not allow us to switch.

What was disappointing is our lack of creating an outlet kick and we were constantly forced to kick it up the line, well coached teams leave a hole 10 mts behind the man on the mark and if nothing is open upfield they just keep kicking into the hole and maintain possession. Also we are doing no favours to our forward with bombing it on top of Harry's head over and over again.

I am patient to give this team time to gel and get in sync with each other and there were a few times where we did run and gun of half back and looked dangerous. However unless Bolts can get this team to link up better and stop the constant bombing down the line, I don't think he will be coaching next year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:43 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Despite a brief period of Pratts tenor where he bent the rules to get Judd in , this football club has been a basket case.
But here is the drum that is what members and supporters wanted. Since 2002 we decided we were going to abide by the rules. Pratt changed that for while but we slipped back when he departed.

Supporters you wanted this you supported this so now you wear the consequence.

A side with no will or no way of knowing how to win.
A side that can't attract quality
A side that the best they can come up with for a coach is the cliches kid.

The moment you voted to not fight and give in to the most corrupt manipulating sporting organisations in the world you destined this club to swirl around the bottom half of the table for many more years to come


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i think you may be on the brink

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:15 pm 
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Still flat. Hurting like hell. Aching to get a result. Angry, frustrated, disappointed, depressed.

I won’t profess to know whether Bolts has what it takes tactically. However his after match pressers this year clearly indicate he knows what our deficiencies are and what we need to do to get wins.

Desperately want us to improve and move on from being perennial cellar dwellers. Whatever is required to achieve that I’m all for. I for one hope that includes Bolts.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Still flat. Hurting like hell. Aching to get a result. Angry, frustrated, disappointed, depressed.

I won’t profess to know whether Bolts has what it takes tactically. However his after match pressers this year clearly indicate he knows what our deficiencies are and what we need to do to get wins.

Desperately want us to improve and move on from being perennial cellar dwellers. Whatever is required to achieve that I’m all for. I for one hope that includes Bolts.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
What's becoming sadly more obvious is, apart from Simmo, our over 26yo's just aren't very good anymore.

Compare them to other 'young' teams older players and it's a problem for Bolton.


And that is the core of our problems

SOS inherited a basket case list. Who do we have from the 2007-2012 draft?

Even Bris have got Zorko, Neale, Robinson, Rich and Lyons who can play a midfield/hybrid role

We have Cripps (as a mature bod) only now that Murph and Ed are not part of the mid action

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:45 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Despite a brief period of Pratts tenor where he bent the rules to get Judd in , this football club has been a basket case.
But here is the drum that is what members and supporters wanted. Since 2002 we decided we were going to abide by the rules. Pratt changed that for while but we slipped back when he departed.

Supporters you wanted this you supported this so now you wear the consequence.

A side with no will or no way of knowing how to win.
A side that can't attract quality
A side that the best they can come up with for a coach is the cliches kid.

The moment you voted to not fight and give in to the most corrupt manipulating sporting organisations in the world you destined this club to swirl around the bottom half of the table for many more years to come


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I feel more dumb for having read this post.

You suggesting cheating/bending the rules is the only way to be successful?

Who is doing that at the moment?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:58 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Despite a brief period of Pratts tenor where he bent the rules to get Judd in , this football club has been a basket case.
But here is the drum that is what members and supporters wanted. Since 2002 we decided we were going to abide by the rules. Pratt changed that for while but we slipped back when he departed.

Supporters you wanted this you supported this so now you wear the consequence.

A side with no will or no way of knowing how to win.
A side that can't attract quality
A side that the best they can come up with for a coach is the cliches kid.

The moment you voted to not fight and give in to the most corrupt manipulating sporting organisations in the world you destined this club to swirl around the bottom half of the table for many more years to come


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I feel more dumb for having read this post.

You suggesting cheating/bending the rules is the only way to be successful?

Who is doing that at the moment?
How did Geelong attract Dangerfield
How does Hawthorn continually attract players
What did the Pies do with Mason Cox

Think about it

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:15 pm 
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By not cheating?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:17 pm 
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Yes it all looks lacking at the moment, but as seen with Buckley at Collingwood and Hardwick at Richmond I think the board should give the coaches and players time for it all to develop.

I'd wait until the end of 2020 before fully re-assessing.


If you're unsure whether Bolts can coach or not after 70 AFL games, he's not our man, nor anyone else's for that matter.

Waiting another 40 odd games before making a decision will destroy this club beyond repair.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:18 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Despite a brief period of Pratts tenor where he bent the rules to get Judd in , this football club has been a basket case.
But here is the drum that is what members and supporters wanted. Since 2002 we decided we were going to abide by the rules. Pratt changed that for while but we slipped back when he departed.

Supporters you wanted this you supported this so now you wear the consequence.

A side with no will or no way of knowing how to win.
A side that can't attract quality
A side that the best they can come up with for a coach is the cliches kid.

The moment you voted to not fight and give in to the most corrupt manipulating sporting organisations in the world you destined this club to swirl around the bottom half of the table for many more years to come


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I feel more dumb for having read this post.

You suggesting cheating/bending the rules is the only way to be successful?

Who is doing that at the moment?
How did Geelong attract Dangerfield
How does Hawthorn continually attract players
What did the Pies do with Mason Cox

Think about it

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On Mason Cox, if you recall we got Matt Korchek and the word was that Matt Korcheck was a far better prospect than Cox, better athlete as well.

But Mason Cox literally worked on his skills 8 hours a day to get better - he just wanted it more and put in the work.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:25 pm 
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I wonder if Cox was better 'coached'.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:06 pm 
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Clearly Duke, by the same coach everyone thought would be sacked because he couldn't coach.......hmmmm maybe it's not the coaches job to teach players skills and it's up to the player. But what would I know, ask Mason Cox?

BTW: Still waiting to be enlightened on why a senior coach in the AFL should be teaching players how to kick, mark and handball a ball!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:12 pm 
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No Cox did the extra work on his own, sure he was using the facilities at Collingwood- and he got some intensive one on one skill coaching - but as I said he put in office hours of 8 hours per day honing his craft all by himself, he literally wanted it more and good luck to him.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:01 pm 
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No Cox did the extra work on his own, sure he was using the facilities at Collingwood- and he got some intensive one on one skill coaching - but as I said he put in office hours of 8 hours per day honing his craft all by himself, he literally wanted it more and good luck to him.
If the situation was reversed Cox would be back in the States and Korcheck would have played in a GF.

We have had several players just give up.
Byrne Budd and Korcheck and not so many years back Duigan

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