GWS wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
GWS wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Liddle, Carlton is going to be reamed by the AFL on funding, dividends etc (eg why was Carlton’s dividend one of the lowest in league-alongside Richmond-in the very year they won the premiership???) are you trading on what Carlton was like 30 years ago?? What are you doing about it?
Get on the front foot. If this club is going to be anchored to the bottom at least go down swinging. For example, today I read that “Hawks in Tasmania for keeps”
Your role is to fight this AFL endorsed gravy train. The AFL enabled them to rort $35 million out of Tasmania. It is your role Liddle to fight the powers that be. Stop the Hawthorn gravy train. Keep the pressure up. Be combative.
“We believe the current model works well.” Said Hawthorn executive Reeves. I bet you do. AFL should cut their dividend to the bones. Make that point Liddle.
If I threw you into a vat of a million rose petals and a single stinking dog turd I reckon it's odds on that you'd emerge with that stinking turd firmly clenched between your teeth.
The difference between me an you, GWS is that you’re a status quo type of guy. Accept your lot in life. Carlton should likewise accept their lot in the AFL hierarchy. Let Hawthorn get their millions on the back of an AFL endorsed policy.
You accept injustice, I want fighters for the Carlton brand. Your “accept the status quo” has netted Carlton plenty of wooden spoons. You and your vat of flowers. You can swim in it, son. Stir it with your spoons.
Despite massive advances by the club over the last few years all you manage to post in here is scared little victim shit on a daily basis.
Is everything perfect?
No.
Is it a hell of a lot better than it was?
Yes.
Is that because you’ve spent hundreds of hours squealing like a little bitch on a footy forum?
No.
It happened because a group of people who care about the club got involved and started putting better processes in place.
I think for all concerned there is a level of vitriol and animus that you have towards me and my posts that is unhealthy on this website. The words you use such as "little bitch" etc I don't think improve dialogue. It is up to you, but my suggestion for you is to stop commenting on my posts. I have no need to comment on yours.
re: your points.
In between your anger, your point is you see progression, you are happy with the 4th, 6th, 9th, 12th? etc wooden spoon as long as Carlton is "moving forward". Carlton has an AFLW team, increased membership, an improved website, better financials, a new stadium deal....to all of that I say a big whooopeee! I'm celebrating in the street right now..
This industry is a results based industry. I don't know if you follow college football, but Georgia missed out on the top 4 playoffs. Clearly they are a top 4 team in talent, but a loss is a loss that is a loss. They lost twice, they're out. Wins and losses = what all sport is about in the end. Yes, there are moments of courage, inspiration even in defeat, but even after those moments the bean counters go back to wins vs losses.
You also believe that Carlton is an island, Carlton is not in a competition, it should get its own house in order and not call out "irregularities" in the way the comp. is run. Keep your head down, don't make waves. Mmmm. Let's contrast that to Eddie McGuire and Collingwood- they fought city hall and did it publicly on the whole cost of living debacle in Sydney, Brisbane, which kindly helped to net them premierships. And they got results. Collingwood acts like a big club, they make comments in the media etc that keep them relevant. Carlton isn't relevant.
You want Carlton to be like Oliver "please, sir, I would like some more" as they put their wooden bowl (with their wooden spoons) out at giant orphans' hall to get a second serving of soup. Please AFL, please Gill, we'll play in Tasmania for you, please give us an extra game at the MCG".
Well my attitude is different. No more begging. No more prostrating oneself at the AFL overlords. It has been proven consistently that their interests lie elsewhere.
Carlton, in my opinion, (no doubt as you're a half glass full type of guy, full of positivity etc will see it differently) was last relevant in 2000. Got to a preliminary. My original point was that I want Liddle to get in the media, start calling out things, start making waves....or maybe it is best that Carlton just remains the Oliver of the competition. "Please sir, can I have some more soup with my new wooden spoon".