+4!

He was unfortunately one of the worst things to happen to us at the worst time (I hate saying this about a past champion but its what I think).

Had Judd, Stevens, Fevola, Simmo, Waite, Carrazzo in their prime and a young brigade of Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer, Jamison coming through.

We should've been planning and developing for the future to try and get the young kids in so we were able to strike when our youngsters came of age. Instead we completely overrated our list and Ratts was a massive part of that. Short term fixes like Mclean, Warnock, Laidler and not being able to make the tough decisions to plan for the future - remember that year we couldn't meet the minimum AFL requirement of 3 delistings because we had such a tough choice between Bower and O'Hailpin?

He's set us back marginally less than Malthouse and I can't really forgive him for that. The talent he had at his disposal made his record look a lot better than other coaches we've had. Loved him as a player but as others have said its time to move on.

He wasted that list by getting us to less than a goal from a prelim...
We have no idea what would have followed had he stayed.
He left because MM was available, not because he couldn't coach.
MM had the same list and we went from thirdish to.....oblivion.

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We drafted so poorly that was all we had. We played the 2011 SF with 8 rookie nlisted players in the side as our draftees were no F good. Loved to have seen Ratten with SOS, not that idiot Hughes. Then we might've seen something.

He was the right choice. 3 finals series, a near PF, better than 50% winning record, and that was after losing his first 9, 6 tanked, all the while he was hamstrung by having Wayne Hughes as a recruiter. You're as good as you're recruiting staff. If you fail then the coach is out the door.

As for today, 105 pts loss, against a side that scored 7 goals to 1 in the last qtr with 16 to 17 men, then the coach can go F right off. That's the height of embarrassment. We are so poorly structured, poorly drilled that we had no idea how to take advantage of it.

They'll still be dills thinking it's all going along nicely.

I want Bolts to embarrass a few players - SHAKE THEM UP FFS !!

Not sure he is done embarrassing himself yet.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

For the first time, I regret to say that the tide has started to turn for me about Bolts.

He could well be an inspirational development coach but don't think he has an idea about how to convey his football game plan

Either his playbook is not fit for current day football or he cant communicate it effectively...

Whichever it is, he and/or Carlton has a major problem that can't be brushed under the carpet any longer.

And I dont think its a matter of waiting for 2-3 better players next season for it suddenly to go click

I'm not the greatest expert in the game but even I can see there is a fundamental flaw with the way the Carlton game is being played

He won't do that because it's not their fault. They're playing a gameplan they don't understand. The most experienced players have no idea - how do you expect the 20-year-olds to know?

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What absolute rubbish and you know it.
It's the same game plan as last week against a top 4 side that has about 18 A graders on their list, in their prime and a midfield that we have all admired for the last 4 years.

The fact that we didn't lose by 20 goals is a win in my eyes.

18 A graders lol

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

And i spose it doesn't help that we finished the game with 17 men to their 22..............oh wait, what........???????

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Didn’t you stop watching after quarter time?

And there in lies your problem "men"!

All of whom are guns in the right age bracket.

Compared to our kids, seniors and top up players.

Must be the game plan......for sure.

Yep. What did you think of the players' mindset at qtr time ?

I thought it was great. First time I’d been in the huddle. They were all keen to fight back.

Muh age bracket hurr durr.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

LOL!!

They were smashing with us 16 players, that is pathetic at AFL level no matter then spin. Age bracket in that situation is irrelevant. We have plenty of kids with talent and we have enough senior ability not be to embarrassed and humiliated like that. Spin doesn't change that. If people think that is ok then they embrace failure. Coach is not getting best out of our players as a unit. So poorly drilled, game plan is so poor that we don't even know how to take advantage of a side playing with 16. What's been happening for 3 years?

Some of us live in the real world. That was coaching low today, an all-time one. That's likely to go with the other low of our worst season in our history.

So spare us the spin.

Its the message that is getting delivered.
It is not the list the plan or the rebuild. You keep telling a group that winning doesnt matter then after a while it doesn't.
We tanked 10 years back set the precidence and have been losing ever since.
It doesn't matter if we win as there is always an excuse.
The list is poor
The coach is shit
We have to many injuries
We need the early draft picks
We are young
We are developing
We have poor age profile.

There is always an excuse and the players coaches administration don't care because winning doesn't matter

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