There are a lot of confusing things happening at present. This is our purgatory and we have to deal with it.

The club had a poor list three years ago and has done nothing but take the good ones (and some spuds) from Bolton to sell for the future.

I remain confident that future is there. Curnow, McKay, Cripps, Weitering, Fisher, Dow, Silvagni, O'Brien, SPS, Williamson, Kennedy, Docherty, Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett, McCreadie and Byrne have long term value in them. None is older than 24.

Others may make it too.

We have parts to add - we desperately need midfielders to add depth through the middle. They are the easiest to get and the quickest to develop. Therefore it was the last part SOS focused on.

Our club is in a position not dissimilar to GWS in 2013. They won one game. Sheedy left. Everyone thought they were a waste of space. There are many similarities with us now. Not the least of which is SOS.

GWS spent hard and liberally at the top end of the draft. There were hits and there were misses. They worked on the belief that the more you take the more likely you are to get it right. They did not (in the early days) waste too many picks on other club's stars. They recruited has-beens and never-weres to fill the gaps, provide senior experience and leadership.

Now the GWS experiment has not (yet) born the ultimate fruit, although there are a couple of reasons for this: one, the loss of Allan and SOS - after this, I think they went too hard for experienced talent with high picks and gave away too many too easily. Two, injuries have taken a massive toll. No one doubts the club is in a good space though.

That is our benchmark, I believe. We are losing and losing badly but there is a plan. Throwing out Bolton would be foolish and you may as well wind up the club if you do this. I think it is time for new ideas and new assistants. This should happen every couple of years (look at the Hawks).

I am confident we are on the right track. We must be what we are historically not: patient. There have been massive improvements this year despite the W/L column (Cripps, Curnow, Harry, Dow, Fisher etc). It is (slowly) coming together. So long as we stay the path, I am confident it will come.

We also still need to hit the draft, not trade for the now. I am fine with free agents if they come but other than that, patience and purpose are the words.

I remain confident that future is there. Curnow, McKay, Cripps, Weitering, Fisher, Dow, Silvagni, O'Brien, SPS, Williamson, Kennedy, Docherty, Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett, McCreadie and Byrne have long term value in them. None is older than 24.

Others may make it too.

Mckay took the first 3 centre bounces after Kreuzer went off.

Curnow took the next one.

I agree we should never have thrown Curnow in there & that Mckay was going to relieve regardless

Oh yes, I well remember who took the bounces after Krooz went off. I was yelling at the telly "Why the f%^k is Mckay in the ruck? Get him out!!" .

No clue!

2 wins in 26 games. No structure, no clue out there, poor game plan, players going backwards. That's coaching. It's not anything else. There's alot of good young players on that list. Drafting has been good. Development poor. No list should win 2 from 26.

Bolton is not the man for job. Those who accept 2 win from 26 embrace mediocity.

it makes sense ... only that there was an interview earlier in the week about why mcKay missed the brisbane game and that was because the powers that be declared they don't want him in the ruck, just as a forward.

so, again ... the club is all over the place, huh?

There are a lot of confusing things happening at present. This is our purgatory and we have to deal with it.

The club had a poor list three years ago and has done nothing but take the good ones (and some spuds) from Bolton to sell for the future.

I remain confident that future is there. Curnow, McKay, Cripps, Weitering, Fisher, Dow, Silvagni, O'Brien, SPS, Williamson, Kennedy, Docherty, Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett, McCreadie and Byrne have long term value in them. None is older than 24.

Others may make it too.

We have parts to add - we desperately need midfielders to add depth through the middle. They are the easiest to get and the quickest to develop. Therefore it was the last part SOS focused on.

Our club is in a position not dissimilar to GWS in 2013. They won one game. Sheedy left. Everyone thought they were a waste of space. There are many similarities with us now. Not the least of which is SOS.

GWS spent hard and liberally at the top end of the draft. There were hits and there were misses. They worked on the belief that the more you take the more likely you are to get it right. They did not (in the early days) waste too many picks on other club's stars. They recruited has-beens and never-weres to fill the gaps, provide senior experience and leadership.

Now the GWS experiment has not (yet) born the ultimate fruit, although there are a couple of reasons for this: one, the loss of Allan and SOS - after this, I think they went too hard for experienced talent with high picks and gave away too many too easily. Two, injuries have taken a massive toll. No one doubts the club is in a good space though.

That is our benchmark, I believe. We are losing and losing badly but there is a plan. Throwing out Bolton would be foolish and you may as well wind up the club if you do this. I think it is time for new ideas and new assistants. This should happen every couple of years (look at the Hawks).

I am confident we are on the right track. We must be what we are historically not: patient. There have been massive improvements this year despite the W/L column (Cripps, Curnow, Harry, Dow, Fisher etc). It is (slowly) coming together. So long as we stay the path, I am confident it will come.

We also still need to hit the draft, not trade for the now. I am fine with free agents if they come but other than that, patience and purpose are the words.

The weak apology I expected.

If this is true, and I'm not doubting you... just haven't heard it until now... love for someone at the club to clarify.

Dumb post!

We lost Cripps for the last half of last year, and Gibbs for this year...

So an already threadbare midfield has became even more vulnerable... our opposition has only had to focus on our one A grader during this ime

I'll spell it out for you, during that period of time we've only had one A grade midfielder

Can't win games without a midfield

Can't win games without forward/midfield pressure

List our midfielders

List our small/mid sized forwards

The fact is that it is not true. I heard the interview. I posted the comments from Cameron Bruce. (I’d post the article from the Hun but it’s paywallwed)

Absolutely nothing was said about Harry in the Ruck. No mention at all. It was all about the club managing Harry and the rigors of AFL footy, especially given he hadn’t had a preseason.

The “powers that be “ never said it.

You're the dummy. No clue or understanding. Know not to listen to you about football.

We have won 2 from 26, before that we won 12 in the same time. We can do better than 2 and not get beaten by bottom sides by 10 goals. We're not talking making the 8, we're talking winning more than one game for the season. Even we have a better side than that. Do you see structure? The players look properly drilled? do you they look like they any idea about the game plan? Why have players such as Weitering, SPS, SOJ gone backwards and have no clue to their role? do you see a real effort and commitment? Unless you have no idea, which you don't you answer those questions is no. That's coaching, unless you know nothing about the game. We have enough decent players to be doing better than what we are. You'll be surprised how much better players get if they are properly coached, properly developed with a proper game plan. That's why Sydney can turn ordinary players into good ones. Near enough half their side is off the rookie list. If they were at Carlton they'd be shit. We could even turn dusty into a dud.

You might embrace failure and make excuses, I don't. That's the difference.

They didn't want to drop Phillips because he had a good game the previous week and Kreuzer seemingly doesn't play 2nds, so Levi went out and Harry was overlooked.

They didn't want to drop Phillips because he had a good game the previous week and Kreuzer seemingly doesn't play 2nd fiddle to anybody, so Levi went out and Harry was overlooked.