Bring back Perc ...

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Sos and his team has done a very good job building the list except for O’shea
Utilizing that list is Boltons area, he imo has not been up to scatch this year.
He is a young coach and needs to learn but him preparing, structuring and developing a game plan for the kids to utilize their skills hasn’t been consistent, efficient or prolific.

Comparing this era to the time when Percy coached?

Times have changed - dramatically but we want to be the same as when Percy coached?

Therein is the root of why, while a club like Hawthorn can reinvent itself from almost collapse to now, we have staggered about through the years getting no where.
Comparing this rebuild to Pagan or Malthouse?

Ratts went the quick journey - get Judd even if it means trading away 2 first rounders. Get Mclean (another first rounder). It was a quick fix and gave us a quick jolt and then nothing - so we went harder again - get Malthouse and @#$%&! the list!

This time - for the first time - we are giving those who build the list a chance to do it properly - if you see this rebuild the same as Pagan's or Ratts then we will just always see differently.

If you think this is a time for sacking coaches after a year (Percy) or 18 months (etc) then I am glad you are no way in control of this club - the shambles of the 2000's would continue under that philosophy - always turning over lists ad infinitum - in fact I'd give us 10 years and then we could be gone.

This is about understanding the game has changed and if we continued on the same then yes, the Pagan, Malthouse era would be our lot.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Bravo dannyboy!

It takes time to start again. Not 1 year, not 2 years, not 3 years, but 6–7–8 years.

The Freo game showed there are going to be bitterly disappointing moments along the way, but that's when we need to have faith in the direction and plan more than ever. Don't react for the sake of looking like we're doing something. We all know that result/effort was not acceptable. We don't need to sakc anything that moves to prove that.

The approach to the list rebuild is sound.

We're not dealing with like for like robots, but young kids who all mature/grow/develop at different rates.

The club is going in the right direction.

There are elements of Geelong, Hawthorn and Richmond to the path we're taking. None of those clubs were overnight successes.

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Oh you mean like Hawks Cats and Swans.
They seem to be able to acquire the best talent and work with in the cap.
The Old does exist it just we chose not to see it

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So they don't look confused and robotic the way they have been playing this year?

Echo the sentiments of boys Danny and camel, and Blue Vain

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But Danny the rebuild could be a total disaster - there is no assurance it is going to work = there is no one model that says this is the pathway to success - we could spend years and have to start all over again - Someone could offer Patty Cripps mega millions to leave as they did with Gibbs

there is not a lot of difference between about 14 of the clubs the season is defined on who you can keep on the Paddock -
You have to give yourself a chance and hope you have a blessed run with injuries.
GWS are the Ferrari's of the comp - built the list from ground up with the best available talent in multiple drafts - they are not making finals as they have been cruelled by injuries their window could be closing
Adelaide list full of talent - fallen of a perch
North a bunch of potential wooden spooners - giving them selves a chance
Geelong and hawks - on the slide then on the up
Richmond 3-4 elite players with a bunch of journey men win a flag and now look unbeatable
Swans never rebuild
Brisbane have been rebuilding for 10 plus years

Why on earth you would strip things back to basics and not give yourself a chance - It makes no sense at all especially when you look at Gold coast and GWS and now the dogs

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I think we are giving ourselves a chance - a sustained chance not a one off.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

If they were robots we'd just plug them in and upgrade their software. That was the point.

Humans are not that simple.

I'm not close enough to know what's actually going on and being said behind the scenes. Like most of us I can only go on what I see before us.

Our confidence isn't great. I think confidence levels being high is a key to the performance of any side.

Our confidence being low is a result of continually losing and being underdeveloped compared with our rivals. Taking that to the next step, part of that is due to youth/inexperience, part is due to key injuries, part is due to just being unable to perform at maximum effort all of the time. We can expect our effort levels to improve/be sustainable with increased continuity and experience. Which should in turn see our confidence grow too.

I'm pretty sure most of us are unable to perform at 100% of our ability in our jobs. Else, TC wouldn't exist.

Bolton, like the rest of the footy dept, is developing too. He'd be the last to claim he's an expert or above reproach. With support and faith the entire footy dept will improve and in time that should translate into wins.

We'll get there.

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Because Syd the list we had had no chance - even if we could've played an entire season injury free.

We simply had too many poor drafts - too many drafts with virtually nothing to show for it.

Regarding your assessment of Richmond, you may well be right. The question is where do you get those 3-4 elite players? They're not going to come from the recycled pool. You might be able to get one via FA or a trade, (you'll pay through the nose for it though - either a couple of first rounders or mega $$), but you're not likely to get that many. It's the draft - sure it can be hit or miss but it's the only way you've got a chance.

What we've done is take on some extra pain now for more chances to hit gold. If we had've kept those players we traded for picks at best we'd be a few spots higher on the ladder.

They're topping up a quality list with young quality. We're building a list from a basket case.
So yes, I do mean like the Hawks, Cats and Swans. You've got it. And I expect we'll have the same outcome. A quality AFL team that can compete constantly with the best.

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Would you give OShea 5 years
Bolton could well be the OShea of coaches
Why would you make an assessment on a players performance over 2 to 3 years but give the coach longer

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You can keep refreshing your list and stay up the top when you're building on a solid foundation.
Carlton would've been trying to build on a blancmange.

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The people within the club are the ones giving him extra time. Surely they would understand his performance far better than you or I. IMHO, they've made relatively good decisions to date, I'm happy to back them in on this one.
Add to that the re-signing of the young players. They're obviously happy with the clubs prospects and their management/coaching or they wouldn't be signing long term deals.

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Bolton makes more errors each week than Oshea does
Yesterday it was a no brainer that Jones should have taken on the Rowe role.
Rowe was never going to change anything up.
Jones could have set the place alight

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Exactly
Jones should have been forward then shifted to the ruck .Just like Rowe did.
Rowe should have been kept back.

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Liam Jones. Season high intercept possessions.
Sam Rowe, We won more centre clearances than Collingwood did when he was in the ruck. The outcome tells me Bolton was right and you're wrong.

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Ummm, did you just reply to your own post?

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No, I accidentally deleted a post which he replied to.

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