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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:27 am 
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Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:06 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
ahh so its not Bolts, its not SOS its not not a rebuild its not not an attacking game plan its the Board.
The Board who have brought in Bolts, SOS and the rebuild and so those things must be bad (cos the board is bad).
And in the history of the world an organisation that was shite has never, ever turned it around.


we're doomed...


we're doomed...

I'm buying a helmet -

the sky is falling the sky is falling....


Put 1000 monkeys in a room with typewriters and eventually they’ll write a Shakespearean standard play.

That the board has eventually made a seemingly good decision doesn’t excuse them from being responsible for 15+ years of incompetence. When have they ever been held accountable or taken responsibility for the state of the club?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:11 pm 
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so bang on about that til your hearts content - but don;t bang on about rebuild no rebuild, players no good, old players traded out years ago etc etc.

Seperate the issues.

Issue 1; Shit Board - needs to be replaced. Go for it.

Issue 2: Bolts/SOS and the rebuild.

Don't colour the judgement of 2 with your views of 1: Is that so @#$%&! hard to understand?

Oh and which Baord

The Board with Judd or the Board who brought Judd to the club?

The Board with the current president or the past or the past past president?

When is a Board the same Board? When isn't it?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:26 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Ratten took Carlton to Finals with a Judd led team.
Judd retires and Ratten's injury depleted Carlton team miss finals.

Mick Malthouse in media at the time suggested Carlton is a Premiership contender.
Mick's inuendo was he could take Carlton to GF where Ratten couldn't.
Mick Malthouse took Ratten's Carlton team from cusp of finals to wooden spoon.
Mick Malthouse had alienated the Football Dept, and tore the fabric of the club.
Mick Malthouse was sacked before his contract was completed, before he could do any more damage.

In Malthouse's time at Carlton, and under his watch, the experienced coach:

Lost Betts and Waite for nothing.
Kicked out Garlett and Robinson.
Yarran's health declines.
Henderson leaves.
Holman slipped through undeveloped.
Jaksch, Sumner and Gorringe recruited.

Malthouse broke a fractured club imo.

We hit the bottom of the barrel. Absolute Bottom.

What would you expect a Board to do?

Answer: Make changes to List, Recruitment, Development, Culture and Coach. Rebuild.

Carlton's rebuild is from a very low base.
Carlton's rebuild is very different to any other team.
No point comparing wooden spoon Carlton to Top 10 teams. Ridiculous thing to do.

No one wanted most of the players SOS, Footy Dept and Bolts discarded.
The best of those who were replaced by recycled players imo were Everitt, Buckley, Gowers and Bell.
All of them had question marks at the time. They wouldn't have made any difference to our current plight.

We chose to go to the Draft and trade players for high picks to gain quality players who will be around for our next tilt #17.

No one has seen such a huge turnover of players. Only wooden spooners would be the only teams to come close.
There's logical reasons why top 10 teams don't turnover their list as bottom of the ladder Carlton has.

It is a genuine rebuild, and we expected a lot of short term pain for long term gain.
I hate losing, but I can see why we had to rebuild in a big way, rather than pussy footing: clearly.

This is the last year of the 66 game rebuild. It is planned meticulously like never before (and I heard this from our ex CEO's mouth despite his bitterness being let go).

We have to see it through. Throw stones at the end of 2019 if we don't see a big improvement.

Lets stick together. Phat!


Very nice summation Bondi. :clap:

The one guy you didn't mention is Robinson. Based purely on his football I didn't think at the time we should've discarded him and I still don't. He's a hard nut and that could've been handy. I've never met the guy though and I get the impression that he's a bit of a peanut, so I suspect that was at least part of our motivation.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:38 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
so bang on about that til your hearts content - but don;t bang on about rebuild no rebuild, players no good, old players traded out years ago etc etc.

Seperate the issues.

Issue 1; Shit Board - needs to be replaced. Go for it.

Issue 2: Bolts/SOS and the rebuild.

Don't colour the judgement of 2 with your views of 1: Is that so @#$%&! hard to understand?

Oh and which Baord

The Board with Judd or the Board who brought Judd to the club?

The Board with the current president or the past or the past past president?

When is a Board the same Board? When isn't it?


I’ll make it easy, anyone who’s been on the board for more than three years should go.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:49 pm 
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So ...
People are upset that the list was mismanaged during the Malthouse years
People are upset that recruitment during the Malthouse years was bad
People are upset that our injury management was, and still is, not up to par
People are still not convinced about the effectiveness of our football development program for players ... there was no coordination in the coaching program, basic skills were lacking ... VFL team couldn't find cohesion and sustained success ....
People are still bitter that someone allowed this to happen (who did Malthouse report to again?)
Mick has gone, and yet the problems still persist ...

Hmmm
Who should we hold responsible....??
If only there was a common thread we could identify....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:56 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:21 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
so bang on about that til your hearts content - but don;t bang on about rebuild no rebuild, players no good, old players traded out years ago etc etc.

Seperate the issues.

Issue 1; Shit Board - needs to be replaced. Go for it.

Issue 2: Bolts/SOS and the rebuild.

Don't colour the judgement of 2 with your views of 1: Is that so @#$%&! hard to understand?

Oh and which Baord

The Board with Judd or the Board who brought Judd to the club?

The Board with the current president or the past or the past past president?

When is a Board the same Board? When isn't it?


I’ll make it easy, anyone who’s been on the board for more than three years should go.


this.

anyone who has been there longer and is by default responsible for the last 15 years of ineptitude needs to go. what do we have? 11 board members and all people can do is parrot judd's name. what about the other 10 who need to go asap? cfc is a club in crisis. the reserves, women and seniors are all diabolically bad. development and injry management is a league worst.

and other players will never come here while we're a laughing stock and while players like eddie and waite thrive at other clubs while telling everyone we're a poor excuse for a club.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:55 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Nobody wants to shoot Bambi.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:04 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
so bang on about that til your hearts content - but don;t bang on about rebuild no rebuild, players no good, old players traded out years ago etc etc.

Seperate the issues.

Issue 1; Shit Board - needs to be replaced. Go for it.

Issue 2: Bolts/SOS and the rebuild.

Don't colour the judgement of 2 with your views of 1: Is that so @#$%&! hard to understand?

Oh and which Baord

The Board with Judd or the Board who brought Judd to the club?

The Board with the current president or the past or the past past president?

When is a Board the same Board? When isn't it?


Not even a ship of Theseus reference in there DB?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:49 am 
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probably needs one.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:27 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:16 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Almost as if they know more about this matter than we do. :eek:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:49 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Almost as if they know more about this matter than we do. :eek:

:grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:25 am 
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BigKev wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Almost as if they know more about this matter than we do. :eek:



you're putting too much trust into a collective group of people who are running the worst club in the afl since the turn of the century. there's a reason we're the worst.

poor decisions & overall ineptitude across every department...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:01 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
BigKev wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Almost as if they know more about this matter than we do. :eek:



you're putting too much trust into a collective group of people who are running the worst club in the afl since the turn of the century. there's a reason we're the worst.

poor decisions & overall ineptitude across every department...

St kilda and Goldcoast are going well aren't they, Gws have done @#$%&! all as well with all the handouts.You are spewing rubbish at nauseum. Are you actually a member or just a fool!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:50 am 
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Trigger wrote:
Braithy wrote:
BigKev wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Bolton made a mistake by not replacing Murphy as Captain IMO. Should have been Simmo or Ed.


I’m just surprised yearly that (if the process is legit) the players actually unanimously vote for Murph each year


Almost as if they know more about this matter than we do. :eek:



you're putting too much trust into a collective group of people who are running the worst club in the afl since the turn of the century. there's a reason we're the worst.

poor decisions & overall ineptitude across every department...

St kilda and Goldcoast are going well aren't they, Gws have done @#$%&! all as well with all the handouts.You are spewing rubbish at nauseum. Are you actually a member or just a fool!!


haha. don't be a peanut.

statistically ... carlton have the worst winning percentage since 2000.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:26 am 
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Trigger getting triggered lol.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:17 pm 
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redback wrote:
Blue Boys wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Trigger wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
...Adelaide just dropped out of the 8

Sack the coach!
Now now Trigger you carry on like you expected Carlton to be 1 and 10 at this stage of the season.
Any supporter that says or posts that they expected us to have only won one game is a flat out liar.
This season so far has been very disappointing.
I can't recall one poster stating we would be this bad.
No one from the coaches administration or media predicted a drop off like this.



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Most tipped us for the wooden spoon this year, which is exactly what is likely. Am i disappointed, yes, am i surprised given where our list is at and the injuries we have had, no.



Most tipped North to be with us and the druggies top 4 and West Coast as big sliders.
Look at how the Roos and Eagles play compared to us, even the pies who last year didn't know what they stood for with the same playing group. Bad skills can't kick a goal blah blah. Amazing what ball movement does to a average team.


Amazing having a settled injury free side helps too, which north and the eagles have had and the pies are finally getting some continuity into their playing group.

All of those clubs also have a group of players between 24-30 in career best or close to career best form.

I’m not happy with how we are going but it was always possible if we got injuries and things snowballed from there, which they have.

In saying that, if we can get Murph and Levi back and all of the Curnow boys, Cripps and Kreuze can stay fit we can win between 3-5 second half of the year.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:27 pm 
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Chitty's Finger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Our attacking style in the JLTs looked good with the full list we had. Then it fell apart when injuries struck and the depth players couldn't play that style. So now we're back to parking the bus until we get our better players back in.
I do think we panicked like hell against gold coast even before injuries and our ball out of defense was shizen . That's when it fell apart. I think its injuries and natural skill level when an opposition plays good discipline. More thinking required bolts

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We had no 1st ruckman against GC which didn’t help and they were playing much better then than they are now. Still we were very poor that day.

As often in any given season, I believe any side has a best and worst case scenario of how they can go based on injuries, form etc. Our best case scenario of everything went right was 8-10 wins getting up to 11-12th, worst case was what we have now and I always throught/feared it was a possibility.

Give North our injury run and they would be bottom 4-5, but they have exceeded my expectations so far on what I believed their ceiling was (similar to ours of 8-10 wins, but they could always fade away)


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