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Hitler was a short arse!
Hilter and Napoleon lost

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So in summary, it’s a better bet to fix club management first before you address on field problems?

How can it be a proper rebuild if it only addresses the playing list?


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:53 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Hitler was a short arse!
Hilter and Napoleon lost

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:lol:

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Lost - lost and commanded respect - so respect isn't the only thing is it..and how respect is won is not set in stone.
no one has stepped on the moon therefore no one ever will
no one has flown therefore no one ever will

obviously odds are against Bolts - as they are against all new coaches (or new anythings/anyones) regardless of games played/standard of player etc. Fact is most coaches do not win a flag.
So logically we should go with a coach who has...oh wait...Pagan had...Malthouse had...so lets get a champion who knows the game/commands respect, more chance that way...say a Watson...A Voss...

Will Bolts coach us to a flag? Who the @#$%&! knows. But it has nothing to do with if he played at the highest level or not...nothing at all. Its a lalala argument - lots of noise, no substance. No proof except the old tired words, "it has not been done before"...and with those words so many great things would never have been done if people were stupid enough to heed those empty words.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:40 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Hitler was a short arse!
Hilter and Napoleon lost

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:lol:

:grin:
Lost - lost and commanded respect - so respect isn't the only thing is it..and how respect is won is not set in stone.
no one has stepped on the moon therefore no one ever will
no one has flown therefore no one ever will

obviously odds are against Bolts - as they are against all new coaches (or new anythings/anyones) regardless of games played/standard of player etc. Fact is most coaches do not win a flag.
So logically we should go with a coach who has...oh wait...Pagan had...Malthouse had...so lets get a champion who knows the game/commands respect, more chance that way...say a Watson...A Voss...

Will Bolts coach us to a flag? Who the @#$%&! knows. But it has nothing to do with if he played at the highest level or not...nothing at all. Its a lalala argument - lots of noise, no substance. No proof except the old tired words, "it has not be done before"...and with those words so many great things would never have been done if people were stupid enough to heed those empty words.


:clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Hitler was a short arse!
Hilter and Napoleon lost

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk



:lol:

:grin:
Lost - lost and commanded respect - so respect isn't the only thing is it..and how respect is won is not set in stone.
no one has stepped on the moon therefore no one ever will
no one has flown therefore no one ever will

obviously odds are against Bolts - as they are against all new coaches (or new anythings/anyones) regardless of games played/standard of player etc. Fact is most coaches do not win a flag.
So logically we should go with a coach who has...oh wait...Pagan had...Malthouse had...so lets get a champion who knows the game/commands respect, more chance that way...say a Watson...A Voss...

Will Bolts coach us to a flag? Who the @#$%&! knows. But it has nothing to do with if he played at the highest level or not...nothing at all. Its a lalala argument - lots of noise, no substance. No proof except the old tired words, "it has not be done before"...and with those words so many great things would never have been done if people were stupid enough to heed those empty words.

Well put :clap:


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:28 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Oh FFS, now he’s not tall enough to be a coach?

How the hell do all those “never played NBL 6 ft coaches” win championships in the NBL?

Because David Beckham at 16 wasn’t in awe of Alex Ferguson because Fergie was a genius with the ball.

I had the pleasure of chatting with LOB at the season launch. He spoke glowingly of Bolts, his teaching methods but also that he’s a man you do not want to cross and that he could kill with a look.

Everything I’ve seen of Bolts tells me he is a leader.

And as for the apples to oranges dismissal of the experience argument. It’s simply proof of how far behind AFL is from other sports in the world.


Thanks Aircav.

The cancer within the club's REBUILD are the moles we have within the club. They call themselves supporters. Its their rubbish and whinging the media feast on.

I bet most of the whingers barracked for Carlton after they became a powerhouse. Jumped on the bandwagon, and now have lost patience, because they are arm chair experts.

Bolton-SOS are a new regime. Cut them some slack. Show some belief. Look for good signs..and the height thing. FFS. The med9ia are now kinder towards our club than some of these so called supporters.

I worked in the Corporate world and I found most really tall men and women at Board level in corporate world were pretenders, lacked substance, and selected because of their size of their body not the size of their brain, and they hid behind that height (and sometimes behind their good looks0, and intimidated....same with middle management. Have a look.

Bolton's size has nothing to do with anything. Such a foolish thing to say.


possibly the worst post this thread has seen.

the point about bolton's height is: the guy doesn't command respect in the afl bcos he's never played. He doesn't warrant respect bcos physically he's not intimidating. it's a double whammy. talk about the corporate world & make comparisons all you want, but comparing corporate to sports is asinine.

Sports psychology is closely tied to the military and it's core values. Players follow someone they respect. The leaders need to instil belief to get the most out of their charges. this is non-negotaible for success.

It's widely talked about that a physical presence gets a message across (in combative situations, of which contact sports can be considered to be) more successfully than someone who has none. Now someone short like Clarkson, Hardwick or Matthews can overcome that, bcos they have skin in the game. They all played afl and were hard-arsed in their approach. their approach commands them their respect.

we have bolton who could be the greatest guy ever, cares about the genuine welfare of the players and wants to see them be the best they can be on and off the park. All those traits make for an excellent assistant coach, but with no afl playing experience and unable to put genuine fear into players "with his look" bcos it carries no weight.

anyway it's a pointless argument. most here as soon as you have a differing opinion shout you out of the thread.

time will tell, and history will prove bolton didn't cut it. Or that he did, in which case i'll gladly eat humble pie. problem is, history is on my side. no non afl playing coach has ever won a flag, and i'll bet the house and everything in it that bolton won't be the first.


Why? Truth hurts.

I understand tall people are hired to assume a position/posture of authority (through intimidation?) but it isn't effective. That's my point.
They get found out when they open their mouth or mind.

Its not an argument you are putting forward Braithy. You suggest things as if they are fact. Lets all wait and see, and support our club during this period of rebuilding. It hurts everyone, but you are deliberately hurting the club with guesswork. Most coaches fail. Doesnt mean he's not the right person. Your theory suggests we need to employ Pagan, Malthouse and every other failed coach who has played the game.

I know you're hurting. At this stage in our development its about short term pain.

I was at Richard Colless' place last week (ex Sydney President). Now, like a lot of people who endured the Carlton era without success, he doesn't like Carlton, Elliot and the old way of thinking (Messiah and brown paper bags), but he did say Carlton were on the right track, albeit late, and all the kids need is one win and the whole aura at Carlton and amongst the playing group will do a complete 180. It will give us all belief.

We have to take our medicine. Bolton is the doctor. Doesn't mean he will make us as we were (Premiers) but he will make us better and put us on the road to recovery, but then again, there's always a chance he is given the chance to make us feel as we once were (Premier).

I'd like that we recruit for sustained success, then worry about flags later.
You're all getting ahead of yourselves, like our captain did against the GC Suns.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:02 pm 
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Is it possible that Bolts is overcompensating at the selection table with all the talls because he’s a shortass ? ...

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
Oh FFS, now he’s not tall enough to be a coach?

How the hell do all those “never played NBL 6 ft coaches” win championships in the NBL?

Because David Beckham at 16 wasn’t in awe of Alex Ferguson because Fergie was a genius with the ball.

I had the pleasure of chatting with LOB at the season launch. He spoke glowingly of Bolts, his teaching methods but also that he’s a man you do not want to cross and that he could kill with a look.

Everything I’ve seen of Bolts tells me he is a leader.

And as for the apples to oranges dismissal of the experience argument. It’s simply proof of how far behind AFL is from other sports in the world.


Thanks Aircav.

The cancer within the club's REBUILD are the moles we have within the club. They call themselves supporters. Its their rubbish and whinging the media feast on.

I bet most of the whingers barracked for Carlton after they became a powerhouse. Jumped on the bandwagon, and now have lost patience, because they are arm chair experts.

Bolton-SOS are a new regime. Cut them some slack. Show some belief. Look for good signs..and the height thing. FFS. The med9ia are now kinder towards our club than some of these so called supporters.

I worked in the Corporate world and I found most really tall men and women at Board level in corporate world were pretenders, lacked substance, and selected because of their size of their body not the size of their brain, and they hid behind that height (and sometimes behind their good looks0, and intimidated....same with middle management. Have a look.

Bolton's size has nothing to do with anything. Such a foolish thing to say.


possibly the worst post this thread has seen.

the point about bolton's height is: the guy doesn't command respect in the afl bcos he's never played. He doesn't warrant respect bcos physically he's not intimidating. it's a double whammy. talk about the corporate world & make comparisons all you want, but comparing corporate to sports is asinine.

Sports psychology is closely tied to the military and it's core values. Players follow someone they respect. The leaders need to instil belief to get the most out of their charges. this is non-negotaible for success.

It's widely talked about that a physical presence gets a message across (in combative situations, of which contact sports can be considered to be) more successfully than someone who has none. Now someone short like Clarkson, Hardwick or Matthews can overcome that, bcos they have skin in the game. They all played afl and were hard-arsed in their approach. their approach commands them their respect.

we have bolton who could be the greatest guy ever, cares about the genuine welfare of the players and wants to see them be the best they can be on and off the park. All those traits make for an excellent assistant coach, but with no afl playing experience and unable to put genuine fear into players "with his look" bcos it carries no weight.

anyway it's a pointless argument. most here as soon as you have a differing opinion shout you out of the thread.

time will tell, and history will prove bolton didn't cut it. Or that he did, in which case i'll gladly eat humble pie. problem is, history is on my side. no non afl playing coach has ever won a flag, and i'll bet the house and everything in it that bolton won't be the first.


Why? Truth hurts.

I understand tall people are hired to assume a position/posture of authority (through intimidation?) but it isn't effective. That's my point.
They get found out when they open their mouth or mind.

Its not an argument you are putting forward Braithy. You suggest things as if they are fact. Lets all wait and see, and support our club during this period of rebuilding. It hurts everyone, but you are deliberately hurting the club with guesswork. Most coaches fail. Doesnt mean he's not the right person. Your theory suggests we need to employ Pagan, Malthouse and every other failed coach who has played the game.

I know you're hurting. At this stage in our development its about short term pain.

I was at Richard Colless' place last week (ex Sydney President). Now, like a lot of people who endured the Carlton era without success, he doesn't like Carlton, Elliot and the old way of thinking (Messiah and brown paper bags), but he did say Carlton were on the right track, albeit late, and all the kids need is one win and the whole aura at Carlton and amongst the playing group will do a complete 180. It will give us all belief.

We have to take our medicine. Bolton is the doctor. Doesn't mean he will make us as we were (Premiers) but he will make us better and put us on the road to recovery, but then again, there's always a chance he is given the chance to make us feel as we once were (Premier).

I'd like that we recruit for sustained success, then worry about flags later.
You're all getting ahead of yourselves, like our captain did against the GC Suns.



you're right it's not an argument i'm putting forward. there's been precedents in the afl where non players come into coaching and for whatever the reason, don't succeed.

speaking to some playing group & coaches in brisbane from the lethal days, they had their theories, and at the time i heard them a lot rang true for us right now.

we continue to play like no one understands the game plan, 7 rounds in we're being out tackled and worked every game while making basic skill errors. they are the kind of indicators coaching isn't working.

i can totally handle the rebuild, and am at peace with the fact it's going to be a 5 year journey, maybe longer.

but some of the performances this year aren't about green shoots & the process; it's about a breakdown in the messages coaching is sending to the players ...


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:08 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Is it possible that Bolts is overcompensating at the selection table with all the talls because he’s a shortass ? ...

:grin:

at a stretch?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:05 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Winston Churchill!
Mussolin
Alexander the Great
Stalin
Lenin
Franco
Gandhi
Joan of Arc - and she wasn't even a man!
Arafat




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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:36 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
AIRCAV wrote:
Oh FFS, now he’s not tall enough to be a coach?

How the hell do all those “never played NBL 6 ft coaches” win championships in the NBL?

Because David Beckham at 16 wasn’t in awe of Alex Ferguson because Fergie was a genius with the ball.

I had the pleasure of chatting with LOB at the season launch. He spoke glowingly of Bolts, his teaching methods but also that he’s a man you do not want to cross and that he could kill with a look.

Everything I’ve seen of Bolts tells me he is a leader.

And as for the apples to oranges dismissal of the experience argument. It’s simply proof of how far behind AFL is from other sports in the world.


Thanks Aircav.

The cancer within the club's REBUILD are the moles we have within the club. They call themselves supporters. Its their rubbish and whinging the media feast on.

I bet most of the whingers barracked for Carlton after they became a powerhouse. Jumped on the bandwagon, and now have lost patience, because they are arm chair experts.

Bolton-SOS are a new regime. Cut them some slack. Show some belief. Look for good signs..and the height thing. FFS. The med9ia are now kinder towards our club than some of these so called supporters.

I worked in the Corporate world and I found most really tall men and women at Board level in corporate world were pretenders, lacked substance, and selected because of their size of their body not the size of their brain, and they hid behind that height (and sometimes behind their good looks0, and intimidated....same with middle management. Have a look.

Bolton's size has nothing to do with anything. Such a foolish thing to say.


possibly the worst post this thread has seen.

the point about bolton's height is: the guy doesn't command respect in the afl bcos he's never played. He doesn't warrant respect bcos physically he's not intimidating. it's a double whammy. talk about the corporate world & make comparisons all you want, but comparing corporate to sports is asinine.

Sports psychology is closely tied to the military and it's core values. Players follow someone they respect. The leaders need to instil belief to get the most out of their charges. this is non-negotaible for success.

It's widely talked about that a physical presence gets a message across (in combative situations, of which contact sports can be considered to be) more successfully than someone who has none. Now someone short like Clarkson, Hardwick or Matthews can overcome that, bcos they have skin in the game. They all played afl and were hard-arsed in their approach. their approach commands them their respect.

we have bolton who could be the greatest guy ever, cares about the genuine welfare of the players and wants to see them be the best they can be on and off the park. All those traits make for an excellent assistant coach, but with no afl playing experience and unable to put genuine fear into players "with his look" bcos it carries no weight.

anyway it's a pointless argument. most here as soon as you have a differing opinion shout you out of the thread.

time will tell, and history will prove bolton didn't cut it. Or that he did, in which case i'll gladly eat humble pie. problem is, history is on my side. no non afl playing coach has ever won a flag, and i'll bet the house and everything in it that bolton won't be the first.


How about Tony Robbins as our next coach?


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nah. his teeth would annoy me.


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This thread just gets more bizarre by the day. It’s quite fascinating actually.

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[quote="dannyboy"]Winston Churchill!
Mussolin
Alexander the Great
Stalin
Lenin
Franco
Gandhi
Joan of Arc - and she wasn't even a man!
Arafat

also Mark Arceri[/quote]

Plus jockeys
That dwarf actor guy
And Lassie. (Effective, male and always got the job done)

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wasn't Lassie a girl playing a boy? Or was that Rin Tin Tin?

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dannyboy wrote:
wasn't Lassie a girl playing a boy? Or was that Rin Tin Tin?

dunno but give me Skippy any day. Could get Sonny out a well in no time with just a few tsk tsks.


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muzza wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
wasn't Lassie a girl playing a boy? Or was that Rin Tin Tin?

dunno but give me Skippy any day. Could get Sonny out a well in no time with just a few tsk tsks.



And her ability to manipulate and open locks without opposable thumbs was outstanding.


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dannyboy wrote:
wasn't Lassie a girl playing a boy? Or was that Rin Tin Tin?

Only if laddie were a boy playing a girl.
This is confusing.
But....
Skippy is off topic because he was quite tall.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:23 pm 
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It is v difficult to be sure about whether we have the right coach at the moment.
I believe we do but need a bit more time.
And it is also v difficult to identify who would be better. Even a proven coach may sail in with nothing to prove and not perform the same (Malthouse).
Or we could land the super coach only to discover that his way is not as effective with different cattle or his time has passed (Pagan).
Or he could be a genius one year and then questions arise over the next couple (Beverage).
Clarkson was on v shaky ground before 2008 and then again c2009/2010/2011. Kennett even wrote him off at the beginning of his Premiership year 2013.
Buckley & Hardwick would never have survived this long at Carlton.

Like Clarkson c2006, Bolton still has a fair bit to learn.
We have to be patient, there is no real alternative at the moment.
Essendon* & Port Adelaide we’re lauded for their trading which was supposed to put them in the Premiership frame. How’s that going?
Meanwhile, West Coast’s Simpson was under as much pressure as anyone just 2 months ago now looks like a genius.
We must hold our nerve and not get sucked in (even after we beat Essendon* this week).


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