I think David Rhys Jones says it best....

I used to think this page was for true blue Carlton supporters, not a bunch of whingers. None of you have played a game or have any real knowledge of the sacrifices and dedication made by a lot of good people, but are self appointed experts. After the last couple of weeks of bitching and moaning, I am happily going to unfollow this thread. Look up the meaning of supporter some of you fickle keyboard warriors. I’m sure in a couple of years when we have 50+ games into these kids and start climbing up the ladder, you so called experts will be claiming some sort of justification of knowing it would happen. I will continue to SUPPORT the club, it’s players, coaches and administration, not take the easy way out and throwing insults and derogatory comments at good people who are doing there best to get this club it’s 17th premiership. See ya

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You are trying to make an argument authority, pretty weak too. People get PAID to do a job, it is the subject under discussion. This is a discussion forum.
You are the one being a little bitch saying unless you have played 200 games you can't have an opinion, btw I've played just under 200 games not that it matters one way or the other.
If you can't take differing opinions you should go to your safe space and stay there.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Are you talking to me? I'm just quoting someone, triggered much?

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He's not questioning your right to an opinion, just your knowledge behind it.

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You don't have to have played AFL footy to see that players are consistently missing targets by hand and foot from 20 metres.
You don't have to have played AFL footy to see a player walking with his hands on his hips watching the play within one kicking distance when he might try and make a lead.
You don't have to have played AFL footy to know that a player who spoils his own player going for a mark lacks vision.
You don't have to have played AFL footy to see a player all alone inside the centre square being ignored in favour of a kick backwards. Maybe the fact that players can't hit targets thirty metres away prevents them from taking the risk of missing obviously better positioned team mates.
Finally you don't have to have played AFL footy to notice that teams score easily against us by taking record numbers of uncontested marks inside 50 and we have to rely on chaos goals like the one SOS muddled through last week after a long bomb to a contest.

DRJ was a great player but he failed to mention that Brendon Bolton has never played a game of AFL football either.

Some of us have played other sports at elite levels and know bloody well what it takes. It takes personal effort over a long time and skill and some of us are just asking whether the the coaching and playing groups have what it takes.
Also, those of us who go to or used to go to the footy every week for years and pay memberships and donate money and buy raffle tickets and merchandise from the shop help pay the club's way. I realize the members are of lesser financial significance these days than the sponsors, (which is why sponsors get easy access to finals tickets and members don't) but if DRJ wants to take our passion and opinion away from the way we choose to follow the club, it makes Carlton just a tax-exempt company conducting its business in an empty stadium.

And by the way, David, some of us have been following this club and shelling out our hard-earned since before you were born.

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watch the game? 21pts was very flattering. we were smashed all over the park. dogs kick a little straighter we lose by 10 goals. Dogs really execute in front of goal, we lose by 80 or 90 pts.

... to a dogs team many in the pre match thread thought we were a proper chance of beating – six day turn around from perth, equally as bad form as us etc etc


was there outcry last season?

no there was not, because we were competitive. I watched every game, a fair few at the ground and i can only remember 2 games - port & tigers where we were never in those games. all the others we were pretty good, and had come a long long way from the malthouse nightmare.

this season, 0-6 with possibly the hardest 5 weeks schedule in afl to come and there has not been one game we've been in. we;ve probably played 3 good quarters of football all season so far.

right now this feels more like the pagan nightmare.

i don't think bolton is the right coach for this team. i think our rebuild and squad turnover is a necessary evil we have to endure - very few in their right mind would argue against that path of a total reset.

But! keeping bolton and rebuilding are seperate issues, which lotsa ppl here like to conflate.

i firmly believe there were better options out there when we got bolton (like dew) ... i'm so devout in the belief only someone who has played afl, can coach afl. they don't even have to have had rich team success, but they need to know the level of competition and ruthlessness that they're walking their kids into.

and bolton on gamedays, struggles almightily. i also question whether he commands the total respect of the playing group. tas league footy is a world away from the big league.


i won't be surprised to see bolton sacked at some point, and tbh, i'll be a little relieved when its done.

It is an interesting juncture in our "full blown" rebuilding process

The natives are getting restless and want some answers

I don't think it is going to happen in the short term

The club has no choice but to stick with Bolton a while longer

Privately, I think the club would be disappointed with 2018 thus far. Publicly they are consistent with its message about being patient. This is a smart approach.

My biggest concern is the apparent lack of development with some of our younger players. They seem to have stagnated or gone backwards. Hopefully, it's just a confidence or belief issue, which gets rectified through experience.

I believe Bolton is out of his depth. Sacking him is the easy way out. What he needs is support. An adviser if you like. An experienced operator at AFL LEVEL !

For example someone he can liaise with during the week, and even sit in the Coaches box with him on match days.

Pluck out any names you like as candidates, but for me blokes like David Parkin, Robert Walls or maybe Kenny Sheldon. Note there is a Carlton background with each of those guys. Something we lack throughout the present coaching staff.

I wouldn't ask Bolton if he was agreeable to this, because he'd probably say no, I'd be telling him it's happening.

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It wasn't a smashing. In a smashing no way Curnow would have lined up for an easy shot that put us within ten points. It was a poor showing. It was a game I thought we could win but didn't. It hurt just as the rest of this season hurts but truthfully the hurt is as much my fault as anything else. I want this to end. We all do. But it cannot be hurried up. What I have to deal with is my expectations, that's really where the pain comes from. Not Bolton's coaching. Not Casboult's kicking. Me wanting this to end and so over summer I imagined it would end - but we have added DOW & O'Brien to our inexperience. Logically there was always going to be a step back especially when Dockerty, Kruiser and Murphy are missing and Gibbs was traded out. Also Rowe played his first game last week for yonks - history will tell you the following week is the tough one when returning from a long lay off.

Now all of this you can disagree with but 21 points will never be a smashing...Its a sign you only see what they could have done to us and what we didn't do and the truth lies in a lot more than that. At the end you admit you are being driven by an ideology and so there is no point discussing the oros and cons (I know this is therefore a waste but what the heck), your mind cannot be changed. You might as well believe if we all said eight hail Martys at the same time for three month Carlton would win the flag. Its your belief and so a fact like 21 points is not a smashing, matters little, its outside your belief vision and you cannot see it.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

This thread has officially gone to the funny farm

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#GUILTY

"A little straighter"

Needed to be 19.6 to lose by 10 goals, or for your 90 point scenario - 25.0.

You do realise that they converted slightly ahead of us?....

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Bondi, I have been a longtime admirer of your quality posts (along with Blue Vain, Moshe, et al)- this is truly an outstanding post!

Our next 5 games leading to the half way mark,

Adelaide
Essendon*
Melbourne
Geelong
Sydney Swans.

Chances are, we could be 0-11.

Will Bolton survive ?
The club has reacted in the past in similar circumstances.....

Interesting times ahead, esp with, if and what action the club will take Re Bolton !

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BRING BACK PERFORMANCE BASE PAYMENTS !!!

they also turfed a half dozen out on the full, and blew a lot of golden inside 50 chances with horrible decision making and basically stopped running in the last qtr. i can't see how anyone could have watched that game and then tell me with a straight face it didn't feel like a 50 pt loss.

bulldogs are a team desperately out of form - they're actually a woeful side right now, who happened to be younger and less experienced than us as well, and other than Cripps and levi, no player won their position on the night.


make no mistake. we are standing right in line to being the worst team in AFL history. very realistic to think we'll 0-11.

i'm not sure how any coach survives that, whether we like it or not.

Brisbane or StKilda are now the only 2 teams we have any hope against and that is at a stretch.

If we are 0-11 I vote we bring one man back in an advisory role. Mark Arceri.

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#DonTheStash

We should all take those words onboard.

Worse than Fitzroy

And we know what happened to them

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fitzroy were vfl ... but yeah, we could be that bad. we have the potential. lol

Yep , the Neil Craig role which was kind of filled by Barker which really has just left a void.

We do need a senior experienced head into assist.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.