PS. Has anybody also considered that these losses are also a learning opportunity for our coaches? Bolton comes across as a very reflective person. I have no doubt he is also looking at developing himself and finding that edge. I'm happy for him to make mistakes as long as learns from them.

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Couldn't agree more, I would give Polson at least another 20-30 games even if he didn't show much at all, especially given that he seems to be playing the hardest role of all- small forward for the most part, meanwhile Thomas continues on his merry way getting cheap easy ball at h/b- wing coughing it up stupidly and costing us goals. Lamb has been given 20-30 very average games at his 3rd club. Polson should be given every chance because he is a) Talented b) Midfielder c) Young. Taranto looked ordinary for pretty much the whole year playing in a much better side than ours getting 10-12 touches a game. Then all of a sudden.. bang he comes out looking at home first 2 games this season, much the same as Fisher. And yet so many want Polson dropped...fmd...We have the dumbest supporters in the whole league, I'm convinced of it.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

As supporters, we are not accustomed to this rebuild process. We look to quick fixes, we're used to it. It's our teddy bear that helps us sleep at night, right?

Well, its time we embrace change, and the long game. We were told we're on a journey, and there were going to be ups and downs. Well guess what, we're down at the moment. We need to trust those in charge, not lose faith, as the alternative's the old Carlton way. We wanted a rebuild but we don't want to go through the peaks and troughs. The overreaction is because of the fear of the unknown which we begin to question when things go south. When we were experiencing the very limited success over the past two years, we didn't challenge our selections at the draft, the coach or the club, cause we saw progress.

Now those same players and new ones, coaches, club cannot be trusted or heavily scrutinised by the media in particular, suddenly. Why? Because we see other clubs winning and their young players exceed their clubs' expectations and we compare and ask why isn't that us. Guess what? Most clubs will have the blowtorch on them throughout the year, because football is an opinion business.

Hold the fort bluebaggers. Change is hard and new to most of us at Carlton.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

sakc polson

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my last one was rubbish

We have been rebuilding since about 2004 we went through years of tanking to secure Murphy Gibbs Kruez and a selection of first round draft picks like Russel Walker Grigg Kennedy Hampson Yarren Hendo .
We have over 20 1st round draft picks and yet still we are shite.
For years I have heard Internet experts tell me Things like Murphy will be the player to lead our premiership.
Pagan is the answer
Judd is the answer
We need to tank
We need to embrace the draft
We need to develop
We now need to rebuild because all the stuff we needed to do didn't work so we now need to do something else.
Football is a team game drafting individuals and developing individuals doesn't make a team.
When I was a kid growing up I longed for a Quinlan or a Templeton Ablett senior these guys made up the headlines week in week out.
But none of them got what Maclure had or Hogg or MacKenzie or Klomp or Perovic.
You don't need number 1's a bunch of number 30 odds will get the job done if they are a team.
Watching Casboult ignore Murphy and have a ping and miss , then later in the game he could have provided a block instead of trying some stupid soccer kick.
Watching 3 players tackle one bloke and the ball jar free to 2 pies players on their own.
This is not a team it is s group of individuals playing for themselves.
Forget about their age that 2 to 4 months average age between us and our opposition each week means squat.
Carlton needs to put the best team out each week and that team needs to play as a team and if a number 1 or first round draft pick is not good enough to make that team them so be it.
I am tired of seeing players played for their development.
I want to see players played for the teams development.
And you can put what ever spin you like on it but right now that isn't happening

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So you’re saying we should drop Murphy then.

You’ve got my vote.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Murphy out of contract this year? Free agent? It'll be interesting.

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19 more games Syd, then it all clicks and we'll beat 'em all .

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You lot should have a look at Hawthorn's 2004-2006 period...

It was 3 years of a lot of big losses but they also had a core of players drafted in the early 2000's or earlier like Hodge, Mark Williams, Brad Sewell, Trent Croad, Michael Osborne, Shane Crawford, Chance Bateman, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown. We don't have that core and experience.

You have to give Bolton a full 3rd season. 3 games into 2007, Hawthorn were only 2-1 and had only beaten Melbourne and North.

Of course, the kind of display we saw against Gold Coast and in the 2nd quarter against the Pies is unacceptable. But the reaction is a bit OTT.

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- Igor Stravinsky

Bolton didn’t plan on ‘bottoming out’. We were dead last when he inherited the list. We were also one of the oldest lists in the comp. That they’ve managed to make us one of the youngest teams and also avoided us winning more spoons during his 2 years is actually quite incredible. I have never seen a list in worse shape than ours was at the time of Bolton joining the club.

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Absolute rocks in your head if you think our list is as good as Essendon*’s:

Daniher vs Casboult
Heppell vs Cripps
Merrett vs Murphy
Hooker vs C Curnow
Zaharakis vs E Curnow
McGrath vs SPS
Goddard vs Simpson
Hurley vs Marchbank
Smith vs Wright
Parish vs Dow
Bellchambers vs Kreuzer

Kreuzer is a win to us.
Cripps, C Curnow and Simpson break even at this point.
The rest of those matchups we lose, quite significantly in some cases (see Casboult and Marchbank). Anyone who thinks our list isn’t poor/vastly inexperienced must be biased. Success this year is going to require good structures and a tonne of youthful enthusiasm.

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@cecil_anderson

This
One of the main gripes about Malthouse was the way he presented to the media

There is no substance to this man and people are starting to realise it


8. Bolton won't say much all year

Brendon Bolton's Carlton coaching career is becoming as well known for losses (34 in 47 games) as him saying very little in his press conferences. Instead, the Blues coach – whether by his own design or the club's media team – loves mostly meaningless catchphrases and buzzwords. Bolton famously spoke of wanting to see "green shoots" (a fancy way of defining small improvements) when he was unveiled as coach and it's been more of the same since. This season it's all about developing "synergy", and one of his new favourite words is "catastrophise". Another line that keeps getting trotted out is: "We're going to hold them to incredibly high standards." However, while the defeats continue to mount and Bolton refuses to list any public goals, what was his answer to a question about what a pass mark this season might be? "We're aiming to win every game … we've got to now focus on some of the percentages to make sure we grow … the basic percentages that we want to get right, and I think we'll start to get some results if we can work hard in those spaces." Actions, obviously, speak louder than words, but do these sorts of convoluted quotes satisfy you, Blues fans? - Marc McGowan

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Who is this Marc McGowan?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!!

After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F .........
Visit http://fromthemoshpit.com/

Someone who agrees with Syd.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Does it matter who he is.
The AFL website seems to have employed him

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The similarities at this stage to Malthouse, Ratten and Pagan are quite scary.

Our poor onfield leaders under Bolts were the young #1 developing kids under previous coaches. The Lambs, Jones', Mullets and Wrights of today were the Tutts, Scotlands and McLeans of before.

While the Weiters, Cripps, McKays, SPS' and Dows are the great hope of tomorrow as was Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer of yesteryear. If we're not careful, we're destined to get caught in the rinse repeat cycle for another 20 years.

The dark days of the VFL, when there was no greater inequality in the system, still gave perpetual cellar dwellers like Fitzroy, StKilda and Footscray 4 wins a year in a comp of 12. That's a win every 5 or so games.

I'm sorry if this offends my fellow supporters, but we have 1 win in the last 12 - so we're worse than half as good as Footscray in 1980.

I would get a 40ft container, stick it in the first 4 carparks at PP, paint it pink and stick all flags, trophies, records and photos inside. Whack a massive @#$%&! off padlock on it and tell the players we are now the New Blues. Nobody gives a @#$%&! about Sticks, Judd, Diesel, Jezza, Big Nick or Silvagni. Every day when the players come to the club they'll see this monstrosity. The only way to unlock the past is to create our own history.

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Tanking is not the same as rebuilding. We didn’t start properly rebuilding until 2016. What went on from 2004-2015 has nothing to do with this group of players or coaches.



Are you suggesting we’re not fielding our best available team? Which gun players from our VFL side who lost by 20 goals would have made a winning difference to Carlton on Friday night?

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Not suggesting it's a fact.
We have been doing it for years
Polson had done nothing to warrant a call up but Graham racks them up week in week out.
We lost an AA ruckman because we played Kruez and the lanky bean pole from the west in front of him.
And yet we play Casboult and allow Mackay and KJ to try and develop in the NB
There appears to be rules for some and not others

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Exactly.

We all said at the end of 2015 that the club basically had to strip itself right back and start again. Bolton, SOS et al have done that. I embraced the club taking that direction, knowing it meant at least 3 years of pain. It’s hard to swallow sometimes, but it is the direction we almost unanimously agreed was the right thing one to take.

I was very surprised at the number of posters over the summer predicting we’d win more games in 2018 than 2017, as I simply could not see where the short term improvement would come from. Docherty & Gibbs are massive outs for a team that is were it is.

Will it all pay off in the long term? Time will tell. But please, Carlton, stay the course for once.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Are you talking about Warnock? What has he got to do with Carlton in 2018? Like I said, the current group have nothing to do with the sins of pre-2016.

I think you’re clutching at straws if you think Graham is a difference maker. And if we are focused on VFL form, why would Harry get a senior game?

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