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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:13 pm 
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Gold Coast did much the same to us last year as they did this year. Looks like they’re no more advanced come round 2 as they were last year. Have they really stepped up? Ablett was a ball hog who was a cancer on that team. Yet without him they still got the same result.

The last year we went back to Carrara and beat them. So who knows, we might do that again. If we don’t, fair enough. They’re better than us. Big whoop.


who's our 'Ablett' ...?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:15 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
I thought that was one of the best games for us so far from daisey. But others weren't happy with him so I might have to watch again to be sure.

Few other ok performances I can't really rate as a pro but not a con either.

Byrne was bad for a second week in a row but I've seen got things in him in the past so I'm not sure how hard to go. I'm more confused than upset at him.

No need to add anything about Murphy. I agree with most here today.


I have seen a few say they liked Daisy's game but I don't agree.

Didn't do anything damaging of note and dropped a chest mark at a really important time that robbed us of possible momentum. Like Lamb's missed set shot.

Then when a teammate had a free he kicked the ball poorly to said teammate which wasted time and in turn an opportunity for the team.

Lazy and Unprofessional and lacking in belief and leadership. Symptomatic of the team at large.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:17 pm 
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Verbs we have 1st round draft picks going back 10
Years why should we not be better
What is happening with player development
Why couldn't we take a chest mark today
Not as though GC is a good side
In my view we have a better list than GC and why we lost we didn't come to play today
What is going on
5 goal start on Richmond last week could not hold on complete capitulation in the end
0-2 start for probably the 5 th season in a row not good enough

Gold Coast played ordinary football and we played worse
Can't say we have improved
Why would supporters go next week just so we can have the Carringbush win for the first time next week

Any danger of gusting out a win
Pathetic
Club is a bloody disgrace


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:18 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
verbs wrote:
Gold Coast did much the same to us last year as they did this year. Looks like they’re no more advanced come round 2 as they were last year. Have they really stepped up? Ablett was a ball hog who was a cancer on that team. Yet without him they still got the same result.

The last year we went back to Carrara and beat them. So who knows, we might do that again. If we don’t, fair enough. They’re better than us. Big whoop.


who's our 'Ablett' ...?


Polson


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:18 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Murphy says we got carried away after last weeks game.

Um, WTF?!

Let's not kid ourselves, we are just rubbish

This club has been making excuses for the last 17 years

I am still waiting for that line in the sand game

Until we build some resilience in this team, we won't be going anywhere


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:19 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Crippa wrote:
I thought that was one of the best games for us so far from daisey. But others weren't happy with him so I might have to watch again to be sure.

Few other ok performances I can't really rate as a pro but not a con either.

Byrne was bad for a second week in a row but I've seen got things in him in the past so I'm not sure how hard to go. I'm more confused than upset at him.

No need to add anything about Murphy. I agree with most here today.


I have seen a few say they liked Daisy's game but I don't agree.

Didn't do anything damaging of note and dropped a chest mark at a really important time that robbed us of possible momentum. Like Lamb's missed set shot.

Then when a teammate had a free he kicked the ball poorly to said teammate which wasted time and in turn an opportunity for the team.

Lazy and Unprofessional and lacking in belief and leadership. Symptomatic of the team at large.


QFT!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:19 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Rexy wrote:
verbs wrote:
Gold Coast did much the same to us last year as they did this year. Looks like they’re no more advanced come round 2 as they were last year. Have they really stepped up? Ablett was a ball hog who was a cancer on that team. Yet without him they still got the same result.

The last year we went back to Carrara and beat them. So who knows, we might do that again. If we don’t, fair enough. They’re better than us. Big whoop.


who's our 'Ablett' ...?


Polson


lol


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:23 pm 
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Murphy - 121 dreamteam/77 supercoach. Great chasing of shank kicks though. Inspiring.


Who gives a @#$%&! about Dreamteam, Dreamtime, Supercoach, Champion bla bla bla.

Ok perhaps Champion will tell us how many of Murphy's handballs (stats, stats stats) reached their intended targets and how many didnt (@#$%&! up after @#$%&! up).

Furthermore, how many of is handballs and kicks didnt have an intended target, but he got the stat!!! @#$%&! the stats.

How many meters gained with his 30 possessions?

How many disposals that hit intended targets put his team mate under more heat than he was in.

Check him out setting the standing with tha ball running out of defense...3-5 minute mark. He didnt chase, and if he did he would have caught the oponent on the 2nd handball. He set the @#$%&! trend. The kids look at hiom for inspiration.

How many tackles did he make. How many tackles did he miss. Who @#$%&! tackles with one floppy arm.

He could have made frontal tackles where he could prove his "body is in a good space". And set an example.

He's a coward. That's right. Did you see beads of sweat on his forehead in the close ups...on a bright sunny day with the roof on....nup...because there was none. His hair looked good.

No excuse.
Checked out?!? FMD!
Losing mentality?! FMD!
Went into the game feeling cocky?!? FMD!

Give us something that looks like a captain instead of pflapping hands 5-10 metres away yelling "kick it to me , kick it to me" when there was better options upfield and a chance to gain metres forward.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I'm sick of it.

He's THE ON FIELD LEADER,and whilst he doesn't lead by example and sets the rotten tone, the blame goes out to the coach and the MC and then the recruiters.

Take ownership Murph and apologise. Take full responsibility. The buck stops at you!!!! :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
verbs wrote:
Rexy wrote:
verbs wrote:
Gold Coast did much the same to us last year as they did this year. Looks like they’re no more advanced come round 2 as they were last year. Have they really stepped up? Ablett was a ball hog who was a cancer on that team. Yet without him they still got the same result.

The last year we went back to Carrara and beat them. So who knows, we might do that again. If we don’t, fair enough. They’re better than us. Big whoop.


who's our 'Ablett' ...?


Polson


lol


:grin:

But Ablett is gone, which is nothing but good for Gold Coast, yet they still did the same as last year.

They’ve had many injuries too and have built a list on the back of AFL support all the way.

We were shit last year and won’t be any better this year despite supporters crying and wailing. It’s not possible for us to be much better really. Where is it possibly going to come from?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:25 pm 
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He's almost at full Hendo.
Never go full Hendo


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:27 pm 
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trublu wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
trublu wrote:
Jonosc wrote:
trublu wrote:
Shame on all of you who were happy with lasts weeks performance and are happy with mediocre performances.

Watch our games with both eyes open and you’ll see what I’m seeing.



So give us the answers...


The first warning sign came when Bolton deviated from his defensive game plan to please the media and co who called us the boring blues. For me, we are not ready nor have enough quality players on the list to play a more offensive style of play. We lack, lack good decisions makers and we have porky skilled bolsters especially by foot.

By the looks of it today, our players looked lost dazed and confused out there and that’s because of the change of game plan that didn’t need to be changed just yet

Recruiting has been our problem. I don’t think SOS has done a good a job as most say to be honest. He has spent many tickets on 190cm + players when pace has been a problem for us for a long time.
How do you recruit a player like Mullet who’s been givemt the boot from a poor side.

Our midfield is poor. The depth in our midfield is poorer and we are a one pace.

My solution would be look at poaching a decenct recruiterto start with.


Bolton didn't drop the handball passes, the kicks to opposition, the lack of run.

Stop making excuses for the players.

Jones didn't man up.
Murphy failed to run.
Muppet didn't kick straight.
Lamb stopped our momentum with a shot in front.

Fumbles
Dropped marks
Broken tackles

All dumb stuff the coach can't control.

Casboult isn't a ruckman.


Why didnt the players perform today? Is it because Bolts has deviated from his game plan to early into our development.

The players looked confused or there. They didn’t look confident. Yes we had some structural problems with having a few key players missing through injury but this team has lost its confidence and it’s ability to defend.


Why did Charlie have no problem getting the ball. Ball sticking to his fingers.

Nup! The fumbling and miskicks are not the coach.
Ive played plenty of footy.
When you are switched on and intend to be a one grab player you do!
The are adults. They are paid adult wages. They were selected because they are good.

@#$%&! we are talking about skills and effort here...not game plan, Kreuzer...we had 15 more forward entries....we could have won if the players were committed to playing goood footy.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:29 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
Bolts had a shocking day, no doubt about it. Both tactics and intensity were way off.


How many marks did he drop?
How kicks did he shank?
How many handballs of his didnt make the mark?
How many of his tackles broken?
How many shots at goal did he miss?

Its not the coach.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:33 pm 
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I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Bolton: The coaches and players are pretty frustrated with today.
Bolton: We had 67 inside-50s, but just made way too many mistakes.
Bolton: Fumbles and errors really hurt us.
Bolton: We need to build time together with this group so they can click.
Bolton: Our players can fix this, and they will. There were some uncharacteristic mistakes made today.
Bolton: We're really positive that Kreuzer will be able to play next week.
Bolton: I'm hopeful Kennedy will also be OK for next week.
Bolton: O'Shea has a real crack and always gives effort.


Those over paid premadonas.

I hope they are embarrassed with their effort.

Charlie, Cripps, Ed, Simmo, Marchy, Fish can hold their head up...to a lesser degree Garlett and Fish, even Thomas tried but he's cooked too.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:35 pm 
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That Simmo Marchbank calamity was Comedy Festival material.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:35 pm 
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It's how we loose that is so frustrating , such poor skills from afl listed players is beyond belief, dropped marks, unbeliveably poor handball, delivery into the forward line was woeful, I know a lot of these blokes are young but can someone please please show them how to tackle and give them hand grips at training to put some strength into there hands , honestly my mum would be stronger in the hands than most of these guys and she's eighty one , and give them some shitty pills , they are to nice !!!, don't have to be dirty just more aggressive


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:37 pm 
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jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
trublu wrote:
Jonosc wrote:
trublu wrote:
Shame on all of you who were happy with lasts weeks performance and are happy with mediocre performances.

Watch our games with both eyes open and you’ll see what I’m seeing.



So give us the answers...


The first warning sign came when Bolton deviated from his defensive game plan to please the media and co who called us the boring blues. For me, we are not ready nor have enough quality players on the list to play a more offensive style of play. We lack, lack good decisions makers and we have porky skilled bolsters especially by foot.

By the looks of it today, our players looked lost dazed and confused out there and that’s because of the change of game plan that didn’t need to be changed just yet

Recruiting has been our problem. I don’t think SOS has done a good a job as most say to be honest. He has spent many tickets on 190cm + players when pace has been a problem for us for a long time.
How do you recruit a player like Mullet who’s been givemt the boot from a poor side.

Our midfield is poor. The depth in our midfield is poorer and we are a one pace.

My solution would be look at poaching a decenct recruiterto start with.


Bolton didn't drop the handball passes, the kicks to opposition, the lack of run.

Stop making excuses for the players.

Jones didn't man up.
Murphy failed to run.
Muppet didn't kick straight.
Lamb stopped our momentum with a shot in front.

Fumbles
Dropped marks
Broken tackles


All dumb stuff the coach can't control.

Casboult isn't a ruckman.


Why have a coach then. That's things he is supposed to both get them and motivate them to do. He supposed to get the players behind him to work harder at doing things like that. That's a part of coaching.


Piss off jim. Stop making excuses for the little prix.

Read my post.

Players have to make it happen.
I played Seniors in a bottom team when I was 16-17yo that won 1 game for the year, and week in week out, the senior players went for the bash, couldnt give a rats, but I kept playing footy and going in hard and got rewarded with a stint at Hawks U19's. It wasnt the coach that made them play with no effort.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:39 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
What’s people’s honest assessment of Cam Polson ?


Too light, too small, couldn't stick a tackle, not quick enough....not going to blame him for his handling errors and lack of poise in only his 2nd game

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:41 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Leadership. Leaders that fail are ones that talk the talk but won't can't walk it. Lead by example. Our current captain is not up to his role. Probably our worst captain since I have followed the Carlton FC since 1968. I defy anyone to dispute that his performances as a captain and player so far this year have been poor. Today laid it all out in the open for all to see. No where to hide.


Are you hanging shit Taff or for real?

That's what I said in match day thread.

First time I've been critical of him as a leader. Gloves are off :fight:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:44 pm 
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I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


You talk a lot of sense. You lost ?


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