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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:12 am 
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IN: KJ Cunningham Boekhorst
OUT: White, Thomas, Casboult

KJ to FF
Weitering down back
Rowe to second ruck


Drop White - drop a bloke in the best form of his career at a time our backline is widely lauded as being awesome so far this year.....just to make way for KJ?
Weitering down back - ditch what the MC and Bolts have been trying to do so far this season with Wietering's long term development as a swingman.....just to make room for KJ?
Rowe to second ruck - so take away the great second ruck we already have AND after whipping boy Rowe has cemented his spot in the backline let's move him......just so you can make way for KJ?

And people wonder why people call the KJ thing an obsession......

Ps: KJ is playing good footy and I think he deserves a chance soon.....just not at the expense of our team structure :grin:


White turns it over once or twice a game, but so do all of our senior players. I think that what goes unnoticed by fans is the pressure acts and reading of the play that he mostly gets right. No way I would be dropping him at this stage.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:43 am 
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i think you'll see our team's spirit go to another level with everything that's happened to murphy this week.

i'm expecting a white hot carlton on sunday.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:53 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
We are playing a short kicking game style and kerridge can't kick.

Neither can Curnow Daisy Cripps Casboult but they each bring something to the team.
Kerridge has endurance and he tackles . I thought he was best a field for the NB on weekend.
Effes said Billings was to quick for Kerridge so put Curnow on Billings and Kerridge on Steven

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:50 am 
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What do we do about Brad Hill?

Kerridge and Ed are the only ones who could go near km's he covers but he also ridiculously quick for all that running.


SPS!

Jaksch deserves to come in on the back of 5goals as we lack tall forward options but the carry on about him playing this year has been based mainly from practise match form including dominating 17yr olds!! The fact is he needs to take any chance he gets as if your unsure why he hasn't got a chance in the seniors yet watch a replay of his only game last year and look at the total non physical competiveness of his game!!

Boakhurst is probably in the same boat if he gets a game.


I guess you should watch some of the Northern games on YouTube to gather the facts.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:53 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
We are playing a short kicking game style and kerridge can't kick.


This x 1000

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:11 am 
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Jaksch is 22yrs old and a mobile and versatile tall capable of kicking a goal or two at least. His youth and high pick status may have blurred his vision and obviously distracted him , but he's not first and won't be the last in this game.
Would have thought it was about time to challenge him further , give him the final a
crack to make the team. Leaving him to languish in the 2nds is not the solution.
A bias for or against any player is not the ideal environment to play the kids in .

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:31 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
scottopee wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
What do we do about Brad Hill?

Kerridge and Ed are the only ones who could go near km's he covers but he also ridiculously quick for all that running.


SPS!

Jaksch deserves to come in on the back of 5goals as we lack tall forward options but the carry on about him playing this year has been based mainly from practise match form including dominating 17yr olds!! The fact is he needs to take any chance he gets as if your unsure why he hasn't got a chance in the seniors yet watch a replay of his only game last year and look at the total non physical competiveness of his game!!

Boakhurst is probably in the same boat if he gets a game.


I guess you should watch some of the Northern games on YouTube to gather the facts.


Maybe you should read the senior team on a Thursday night?? FACT!!


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:44 am 
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I think the MC & coaches have earned the right to make the appropriate judgement call re Jaksch.
There are a few possibilities that I can think of:

1) It is possible that his papers have been stamped but if that is the case, there must be something in his make-up or behaviour that we may be unaware of - I say this b/c BB has been obviously keen and happy to give young and older players a go based on effort, performance and need.

2) He has some clear performance indicators which he has (yet) to meet - these may be obvious things like goals, marks, disposals, tackles but could also be more nuanced things like running the right patterns, being in the right space, or he must perform consistently well over 4-5 weeks. I suspect this is the most likely scenario and the onus is on him to perform as required. (I suspect it is similar - but different - with Harry.)

3) He has met performance measures set by BB/MC but there is no opportunity at the moment in terms of team balance. If this is the case, his time should come with injuries, poor form, tiredness etc.. provided he keeps performing as required and doesn't get injured.

I would love to see KJ (& Blaine for that matter) make it b/c that would greatly help our rebuild and would mean we didn't waste two v high picks. But, as I said above, I now have confidence in BB & the MC to know what they are doing.
They know what a successful team looks like and there is no point wasting positions on players who cannot either become part of that team or help the team on the journey.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 11:42 am 
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Centenaryblue wrote:
We really should be a chance to beat Freo if we get our selections and match-ups right.

Not sure that we should be making too many changes though.

Jaksch for a rested Weitering sounds plausible, but whether the latter needs a rest or not - only the MC knows.

If the recent NB's games are anything to go by, Boekhorst must be very close to a chance. If so, Fisher or Thomas might be the one to make way this week. And really no one played badly enough against the Saints to deserve outright to be dropped.

I don't subscribe to the view that any players' papers have been stamped at this stage of the year.

It is great that even Liam Jones who has been a whipping boy for many of us has re-discovered some of his innate talent to the extent that he is not the automatic delist that he has seemed to be for so long.

What great signs for the club.


Agree with all of this.

Jones is going well and doing everything asked of him - the coaches will notice that and give him a chance soon. Whether its this week, maybe.

KJ to come in only if Weitering or White genuinely need a rest.
There are fans and haters alike, but he needs to follow Jones' lead and get some consistent effort and form going - then the callup will come.

I'd be a bit nervous about selecting both Graham and daisy for Subi ..
I could see Boekhurst or Pickett getting a go.

This would be a great game to win - similar to the recent victory over them.
Build up a bit of a domination.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:18 pm 
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Would be great to see SPS line up on Brad Hill. I reckon he has the speed, if not the tank.
Perhaps, we start with SPS and then replace with Curnow once Hill has run out of a bit of steam and slowed down just a fraction?

I am really looking forward to this match - a great challenge:
- Kruezer to be tested against Sandi - will obviously lose the hitouts but hoping he will win everything else
- How do we quell Fyfe & Brad Hill who I see as their most important players? Do we assign Curnow to keep Fyfe quiet or do we put Cripps on him to learn? Do we put SPS on Brad Hill. I reckon he has the speed, if not the tank. Perhaps, we start with SPS and then replace with Curnow once Hill has run out of a bit of steam and slowed down just a fraction?
- I'd expect our solid defense to hold up well but the real challenge will be for them to turn defense into attack!
- Murphy to rebound from a verbal and psychological pounding with steely resolve and a BOG performance!!
- The whole team to bring a steely resolve and back up the captain!
- And its Charlie Curnow time. He is due and the wide spaces will suit him.
- And selection should be v interesting! I think Graham could be vulnerable this week although he was really good against the Pies.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:33 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Jones is going well and doing everything asked of him - the coaches will notice that and give him a chance soon. Whether its this week, maybe.


Jones did have a pretty good game last year at Subi against the Dockers..


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 2:25 pm 
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Freo's speed, agility and skill will be too much for our youngsters in the end.
Especially if either of Stephen Hill or Ballantanye get up.
Ball delivery into the forward line will be scary.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:20 pm 
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Jones was the Hero last time we played Freo in Perth, so bring him back in LOL. He is ahead of Jacksh-it

In all fairness, neither players deserve to be on an AFL List. C-Graders at best. How about we give H.Mackay a run?


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:21 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Freo's speed, agility and skill will be too much for our youngsters in the end.
Especially if either of Stephen Hill or Ballantanye get up.
Ball delivery into the forward line will be scary.


Their biggest winning move this year has been Walters into the midfield. That gives them Neale/Mundy/Fyfe/Walters plus others rotating through there and Hill on the outside.

This is the key - our backs are better than their forwards but if we can't stop supply we will get caught out too often like we did against therapists on the weekend.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:53 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Jones was the Hero last time we played Freo in Perth, so bring him back in LOL. He is ahead of Jacksh-it

In all fairness, neither players deserve to be on an AFL List. C-Graders at best. How about we give H.Mackay a run?



I'm confused by that one.
The 2 supposed C graders are in very good form but you'd rather play someone who has done far less in recent weeks.
In fact, Jones has far and away been our best performed and most consistent player this season.
What are we basing promotion on if not form?

Jones and Jaksch may well be C graders in your eyes but they're easily outperforming the bloke you want to promote..

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:40 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Jones was the Hero last time we played Freo in Perth, so bring him back in LOL. He is ahead of Jacksh-it

In all fairness, neither players deserve to be on an AFL List. C-Graders at best. How about we give H.Mackay a run?



I'm confused by that one.
The 2 supposed C graders are in very good form but you'd rather play someone who has done far less in recent weeks.
In fact, Jones has far and away been our best performed and most consistent player this season.
What are we basing promotion on if not form?

Jones and Jaksch may well be C graders in your eyes but they're easily outperforming the bloke you want to promote..



Looking at the Bigger Picture-The Future... needs to start pumping Games into H.Mackay


Jones & Jacksh are not part of our Future.....waste of time and space playing either of them!!


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 5:57 pm 
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If you're looking at the "bigger picture", giving games to people who haven't earned the right isn't the right way to go.
What sort of message is that sending to the playing group? Work your arse off in the 2's and it means jack shit.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 6:11 pm 
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Harry worked pretty hard for not much result at Collingwood in what were horribly windy conditions and before that was playing well. Wouldn't have been an undeserving game if he'd played last week but obviously needed a spell.

Bolts has mentioned form as a key for selection so Jones and Jaksch would be deserving of selection this week.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 6:25 pm 
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I reckon Jones will only get a game (forward/ruck) if Casboult gets injured or falls out of favour.

I reckon KJ will only get a game (forward/swingman) if Weitering needs a rest or is moved to defence.

That's assuming they keep playing well in the VFL.

McKay looks to me like a player who could do with plying his trade in the VFL for awhile until he gets significantly fitter and stronger. He could potentially play the SOJ role now if required, but he is not ready to be an AFL KPP, IMO.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 6:41 pm 
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Would be great to see SPS line up on Brad Hill. I reckon he has the speed, if not the tank.


SPS is a brilliant reader of the play, and actually wants to apply defensive pressure. But he's not actually very quick. Couldn't crack 3 seconds in the 20 metre sprint at draft combine. Nothing brilliant about his agility time either.


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