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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:00 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
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Out: Thomas (omitted) Macreadie (calf)

In: Polson Jaksch


Weiters goes back and KJ gets his chance as KF.


Sounds good to me.
We need to give Jaksch one final chance and I think Weiters would benefit from some time in defence.


As its Port Adelaide, a team renowned for its run and carry, I'd rather Sheehan for KJ. Sheehan has been very impressive for NB's recently and I would slot him straight into HMC's spot across HB. HMc out just as a management issue primarily.

Polson for Thomas in a must.

Just think these changes give us a better balance b/w smalls and talls and it means we didn't have too many 1st year lads out there, i.e. Polson for HMc.

Ins - Polson, Sheehan
Outs - Thomas, McCreadie


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:00 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Out: Thomas (omitted) Macreadie (calf)

In: Polson Jaksch


Weiters goes back and KJ gets his chance as KF.


Sounds good to me.
We need to give Jaksch one final chance and I think Weiters would benefit from some time in defence.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:16 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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KJ papers are signed. He won't be at Carlton in 2018.

Known, or prediction?


Known.

Barring a massive miracle, nor will Daisy or Jones.


Easy to understand Jones and Daisy not being renewed. KJ less so when he seems to be performing quite well and have so much upside...

I wonder what he did?


My understanding is that he lacks ticker. He is good VFL player but lacks the heart to play AFL.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:37 pm 
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coaches aren't giving supporters anything on KJ despite his form for NB's

bad sign for his fans, but it isn't over until it's over


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:20 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
KJ papers are signed. He won't be at Carlton in 2018.

Known, or prediction?


Known.

Barring a massive miracle, nor will Daisy or Jones.


Easy to understand Jones and Daisy not being renewed. KJ less so when he seems to be performing quite well and have so much upside...

I wonder what he did?


My understanding is that he lacks ticker. He is good VFL player but lacks the heart to play AFL.


You've posted that several times.
What exactly do you base your "understanding" on?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
KJ papers are signed. He won't be at Carlton in 2018.

Known, or prediction?


Known.

Barring a massive miracle, nor will Daisy or Jones.


Easy to understand Jones and Daisy not being renewed. KJ less so when he seems to be performing quite well and have so much upside...

I wonder what he did?


My understanding is that he lacks ticker. He is good VFL player but lacks the heart to play AFL.


So if Bolton feels the need to defend/ tell us why Thomas is playing in the seniors, I want to know why KJ is playing in the 2s

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:56 pm 
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KJ won't be there next year. Polson to come in this week. Sheehan limping and finished off the ground on the weekend, looked like a knee.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:05 am 
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Out: Thomas (omitted) Macreadie (calf)

In: Polson Kerridge

Just my two cents...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:43 am 
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I'm sure Bolts would offer an explanation on KJ if anyone would ask.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 am 
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Suspect Polson will continue the run of debutants for this match.
Perhaps Kerridge has earned a call-back after 40possession +1 goal.

I'd expect:
Out: Thomas. Macreadie
In: Polson, Kerridge

It was pretty obvious even to those who've been supportive of Daisy (like me) that he should be dropped. And if you believe he can improve, better now than half way through the season with little chance to show improvement.

Weitering to start back. Silvagni & Casboult to lead the attack. With C.Curnow, Kruezer, Rowe & White rotating through.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:32 pm 
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Just drawing on top of mind memory but I can't recall ever debuting 5 picks from the most recent AFL draft, let alone doing so in the first 5 rounds. (SPS, Macreadie, Williamson, Fisher, maybe Polson this week...)
...in addition to another AFL debut (Pickett...).
That's 6 debuts from players under 20yrs.
And Marchbank @ 20yrs and with < 10 games under his belt.

And, if I'm not mistaken, two of those came via that weird late trade with Hawthorn...

If three of those seven end up being regulars, it must be considered a reasonably good result.
Four of them a clearly strong result.
Five... and SOS & Co are superstars, far exceeding expectations.

Exposed form thus far suggests that SPS & Marchbank are more than likely to become regulars.
Too early for me to tell with the others but Fisher, Williamson and Macreadie all show signs (mostly in the attitude, attack on the ball and composure). Pickett clearly has all the tricks, just a matter of whether he can put it all together consistently. I'd be backing him at this stage but I'm somewhat biased/optimistic.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:45 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
They may have been playing Weiters forward while Phillips was out.

He may go back and leave Cas as the main target and run with two rucks.


With two rucks and Levi it is too cumbersome. Levi would be dropped and one ruck plays FF with another crumber.


Ruckmen rarely make key forwards. Generally they are useless. We need two key forwards. Playing Phillips and Kreuzer together never worked. They'd take 2-3 weeks to take as many marks in a game than Levi takes in a weeks. Best ruck combo has always been Kreuzer and Casboult. Kreuzer does best when he spends most of the game on the ball and Casboult plays best when he can take a few grabs around the ground. A 2nd ruck need to be able to play forward, as they spend significant time there, and take a few grabs around the ground. No good picking two rucks that don't do much more than win tap outs, be like having just 17 men on the ground.

I'm happy to try Weitering and McKay in the key positions and Levi as the 2nd ruck. Makes it easier on Mckay as he's likely to get the 3rd defender at this stage of his career.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:54 pm 
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jim wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
They may have been playing Weiters forward while Phillips was out.

He may go back and leave Cas as the main target and run with two rucks.


With two rucks and Levi it is too cumbersome. Levi would be dropped and one ruck plays FF with another crumber.


Ruckmen rarely make key forwards. Generally they are useless. We need two key forwards. Playing Phillips and Kreuzer together never worked. They'd take 2-3 weeks to take as many marks in a game than Levi takes in a weeks. Best ruck combo has always been Kreuzer and Casboult. Kreuzer does best when he spends most of the game on the ball and Casboult plays best when he can take a few grabs around the ground. A 2nd ruck need to be able to play forward, as they spend significant time there, and take a few grabs around the ground. No good picking two rucks that don't do much more than win tap outs, be like having just 17 men on the ground.

I'm happy to try Weitering and McKay in the key positions and Levi as the 2nd ruck. Makes it easier on Mckay as he's likely to get the 3rd defender at this stage of his career.


We are not doing too well in the hitouts though. That can be costly. Levi only got two last week.

We need to get the ruck mix right to win games. Right now it is just competitive and only just acceptable because Levi got a couple of goals in the few minutes when the game was over.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:05 pm 
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Forget the blanket anti ruck bias. Phillips took quite a number of contested marks in the past 2 weeks. He's worth an opportunity.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:10 pm 
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Has Thomas really been that bad?

I know he isn't playing anywhere near the number on his contract but perhaps playing well enough to keep his spot.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:12 pm 
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Not sure where the love for Levi is coming from. He has had his day.

Yes we may be cumbersome with a resting ruck at FF but with the wealth of crumbers we now have at our disposal, Wright; Fisher; Pickett; SPS; Polson who may get a game this week; Lamb & Sumner who can't get games; and Lebois & Gallucci as rookies, with the ball spilling out our little men should finish the job.

Get the games into them or even KJ who is still something of an unknown at AFL level until BB says his papers are stamped rather than Levi.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:15 pm 
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Wet Willie wrote:
Out: Thomas (omitted) Macreadie (calf)

In: Polson Kerridge

Just my two cents...

Close to the mark I reckon....

Which begs the question....
What's Kerr's problem
;)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:21 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
Has Thomas really been that bad?

I know he isn't playing anywhere near the number on his contract but perhaps playing well enough to keep his spot.


Multiple targets missed, calls for the ball in areas that don't advantage the team, too often doesn't win his own ball, doesn't tackle.
He can only play wing/half forward and not very effectively at that.
Simmo has been pushed to the wing with Williamsons inclusion and I think Fisher will make a good winger too until he puts on some size. That leaves Daisy as a HFF. Look at the damage their half backs did on Saturday. I'd rather see a Polson have a run there. At least he can give you short spurts in the midfield which adds flexibility.
When you have youngsters getting consistent quality output in the VFL, they deserve opportunities. Polson has had 28 possessions and strong form in multiple weeks now.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:26 pm 
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Kreuzer looks a lot better up forward this year than he has in the past.

Hope we have some good stats to back up a plan.
Do we score more with Kreuzer in the ruck even if he loses the taps because he is good at ground level ?
Will we get a better advantage from winning the taps and losing at ground level with Phillips?
Do Levi's stints in the ruck cost us or advantage us if he is marking around the ground?
We need to find the best combo and method.


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