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Mickstar

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:05 pm

Craig Bradley

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Also,the Dogs have the smallest recruiting team in the AFL.This is a conscious decision to keep it small,not a money decision..............cant argue at the moment.

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Wangers

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:17 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm
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Mickstar wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

PS............now that the Dogs have a flag i reckon Dalrymple is gettable.He has seen the fruition of his work and may now be looking for another challenge.

Mick,

It is never going to happen. Come November SOS will have his BFF in place and that will go on for as long as SOS has his Job.

Carlton's next 3-5 years will live and die by the SOS/Brodie team.

Regards Cazzesman[/quo
Well Cazz,this time last year we made a massive playy for him (Fact ).If they wanted him that bad they shouldnt give up if they rate him so highly..........................and yes,he was almost over the line.

Mick, he was ours. The AFL banned him for 12 months for gambling on AFL games whilst on the GWS payroll. A big no-no as we all know.

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Mosquito Fleet

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:21 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm
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Wangers wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

PS............now that the Dogs have a flag i reckon Dalrymple is gettable.He has seen the fruition of his work and may now be looking for another challenge.

Mick, he was ours. The AFL banned him for 12 months for gambling on AFL games whilst on the GWS payroll. A big no-no as we all know.

brodie will be a disaster

the club allowing to keep the recruitment vacancy open for brodie is another disaster

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AK43

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:28 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:01 pm
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Why?

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carntheblues

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:30 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:05 pm
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Yes Why?

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Cazzesman

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:51 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
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Because the oracle has spoken apparently.

Regards Cazzesman

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Adam Chatfield

Post subject: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:17 pm

Geoff Southby

Joined: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:14 pm
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Location: Melbourne

kingkerna wrote:

Adam Chatfield wrote:

Agree with most suggestions here, we have the right man as coach now and are doing things right off the field.

Just need to keep it going and not worry about external noise.

We won't copy the dogs, the lesson is to have a plan being works best with the personnel you have and get everyone going in the same direction.

It will take a while for us, our list isn't good, but if we do everything right we could see finals by 2019

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Agree, although why not 2018?

I thought of that too, we should be aiming for that. Always aim high

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99prelim

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:27 pm

Robert Walls

Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm
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Cazzesman wrote:

99prelim wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

PS............now that the Dogs have a flag i reckon Dalrymple is gettable.He has seen the fruition of his work and may now be looking for another challenge.

In your opinion Cazz, regardless of the friendship with SOS, do you rate Brodie as a quality recruiter?

I don't know him well enough re his recruiting thought process. He has been in the industry along time.

Wayne Brittain had him as his trusted confidant when he was at the Blues and I think Brittain is considered a very astute thinker of the game by those in the know. Brodie is also a close friend of Ross Lyons who doesn't suffer fools so based on those two friendships one would think he has some football smarts.

I have always found him to be a very easy going with a very good sense of humor. My verdict would be .......Extremely Street Smart. He and SOS certainly put together a great GWS list regardless of the free kicks they got earlier on. Davis, Ward, Scully, Patful, Shaw, Mumford and Griffin have been savvy picks. They basically had Buddy across the line until the 11th hour.

Regards Cazzesman

Thanks for that Cazz!

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smithy

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:52 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:58 pm
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Wonder how those bets went? When he gets here can we get some tips Cazz?

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dadadadada

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:24 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:24 pm
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What we have learnt from the premiers is that it takes more than talent to win premierships ... they have their fair share of battlers but they battle as one and play their roles very well.

They go about their football busting their gut knowing everyone else is doing the same ... the most important thing in any teams make up.

When they ran out yesterday there was a lot of trust and belief in each other.

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nightcrawler

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:43 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am
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What I learnt (again) is that in close finals where both midfields are first class, only two things really seem to make a difference. A player with that extra bit of toe who can break a line. And a player who can take a contested grab. Everything else seems to even itself out.

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Franc de Borges

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:23 am

Rod McGregor

Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:36 am
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No premiership coach in league history has ever taken more than five years to at least make a prelim final. Four to go.

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billc3

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:55 am

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm
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Franc de Borges wrote:

No premiership coach in league history has ever taken more than five years to at least make a prelim final. Four to go.

Interesting!
May say more about the list they inherit too... Interesting nonetheless

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Teddy Hopkins

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:04 am

Geoff Southby

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RickJ wrote:

The Bullies may have taken handball to another level
Hear mention of their handball club?
Don't think I've seen look-away or over the head handballs to that extent before.
Outnumber at the contest, in tight, quick hands and unexpected handoffs catching the opposition by surprise
Coaches smart and creative enough to push the envelope tactically

Know who their handball coach is. Initials are JR.

Yep, our own Jordy Russell. :thumbsup:

Revealed in the HUN today.

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woof

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:38 am

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am
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carntheblues wrote:

Yes Why?

It is not ideal that the guy you want to head up recruiting is banned for a year. If we can get by for 12 months without him then maybe we should not have him at all,

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Mosquito Fleet

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:46 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm
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woof wrote:

carntheblues wrote:

Yes Why?

It is not ideal that the guy you want to head up recruiting is banned for a year. If we can get by for 12 months without him then maybe we should not have him at all,

im amazed why posters ask why - brodie is not that good anyway - just a mate of sos

the president is sending the message that we don't need a recruiter

recruiting is a full time job that is different to list management which is sos's job

we are the amateur club

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BlueJean

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:36 pm

Serge Silvagni

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:41 pm
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One thing it does do is that it sells hope. If the bulldogs can get their act together, Carlton can.

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Cazzesman

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:48 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
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Location: Melbourne

Mosquito Fleet wrote:

I have admitted I don't know his skill set as I have never worked with him. Why do you say he is 'not that good anyway'? Based on what anecdotal information or data?

Where is this message from the President to be found? What expertise does he have in the field of AFL Recruiting to know if the Club needs a full time Head of Recruiting? Ultimately the President is just Fan with money who was voted in. What is his football experience in the area of Recruitment?

Regards Cazzesman

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Michael Jezz

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:42 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm
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What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite

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kezza

Post subject: Re: What can we learn from this year's Premiers?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:46 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 14985

Maybe they just got lucky this time.
A bye before the finals and on the good end of the umpires.
They certainly were not the best team this year so maybe there is hope for us afterall.

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