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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:40 pm 
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Casboult to CHB.

Stay on man, Punch ball, crash packs...simple.


Casboult to play that second ruck/forward for mine

LRO is his best position

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Casboult to CHB.

Stay on man, Punch ball, crash packs...simple.


Casboult to play that second ruck/forward for mine

LRO is his best position

He would perform consistently if left in this position.

Reckon Richmond might want him?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:27 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Seems Tomlinson wants to stay a giant :(

Oh well I guess the next best tall forward is Kreuzer if we don't get a trade.


Kreuzer is no good as a forward he's a ruckman. Neither of our rucks can play forward. As Adam Simpson said after his round 23 presser re: 2 ruckman, you can only play two of them if they can play forward too. None of ours can hence we need to use the only one who can in a 2nd ruck role, which is Levi.


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Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.


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club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:

Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.

Fair comment :thumbsup:


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club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:

Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.

Actually, Levi's field kicking is quite good.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:

Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.

Actually, Levi's field kicking is quite good.


I think he is too. Bt, he's not what you call nimble.
When he goes to ground, he stays down.

He tends to bump moreso than tackle.

This is a recording...I hope he improves his goal kicking...some thing just clicks.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:

Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.

Actually, Levi's field kicking is quite good.


A myth i reckon. His field kicking is poor . First he holds the ball up and misses options then he takes 10 seconds to find his boot. Usually plays it safe with a short one but misses plenty.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Yep. A good field kick in the Malthouse system where the idea is to roost it 65m along the flanks (and even then he'd put it OOTF too often for comfort), but not in a team aspiring to quick and incisive attacking footy... which admittedly was not us this year, but maybe next...


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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None so right as those who are me (me)

Seriously though, are you denying that Casboult frequently takes too long to make a decision and then frequently misses targets with his short kicks? I mean, I know he only accumulates about 2 possessions a game so it's easy to miss, but my abiding memory of his play on the flanks is very much as mentioned.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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You're correct. Casboult is a poor field kick. I'm one of his strongest allies on this site but his kicking is his obvious weakness. His technique is abysmal and that doesn't alter whether he's kicking for goal or passing. His distance kicking is fair but his accuracy and touch for passing is terrible. A couple of times this year he tried to pass inboard and the ball trickled along the ground.
He's in the side at the moment because no one can stand up to displace him but he has significant limitations.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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GreatEx wrote:
None so right as those who are me (me)

Seriously though, are you denying that Casboult frequently takes too long to make a decision and then frequently misses targets with his short kicks? I mean, I know he only accumulates about 2 possessions a game so it's easy to miss, but my abiding memory of his play on the flanks is very much as mentioned.



I have noticed he does take a while to kick to team mates and he does miss opportunities to keep the ball moving because he's slow. The missed pass to Buckley earlier this year was one that I recall vividly now you mention it Generally he's a pass for mine but...... Maybe I'm comparing his passing to his set shots at goal.

We have no one who can take a mark like he does. Therefore no one who can give us a 50/50 chance as a go to player. If he doesn't mark the ball, rarely will the opposition. I love the way he crashes the packs but I remember what happens when you do that recklessly as Fev did to Setanta many years back....and it was Setantas for the taking.

I can't wait to have someone replace him because the fact he gets a game when he can't kick is embarrassing and he has lost the mobility he showed a few years back when he was able to run down players.

Fantastic to watch him mark; its just a pity we don't have a mosquito fleet running past for the handball.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Vain wrote:
You're correct. Casboult is a poor field kick. I'm one of his strongest allies on this site but his kicking is his obvious weakness. His technique is abysmal and that doesn't alter whether he's kicking for goal or passing. His distance kicking is fair but his accuracy and touch for passing is terrible. A couple of times this year he tried to pass inboard and the ball trickled along the ground.
He's in the side at the moment because no one can stand up to displace him but he has significant limitations.



There you go. Nicely put BV

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club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:

Kreuzer must be instructed to focus on more marks and linking up around the ground rather than trying to burrow into the packs.


And if he does win it in congestion he should handpass and start a chain not tumble punt it forward and create a turnover.

Cas to be left out. No good as a forward due to poor conversion and no good as a second ruck due to poor field kicking, tackling, field positioning and ruckwork.
He is a good mark though and that should earn him some bucks in the bush.


Who's your key forward next year? Thought of that. Kids aren't ready unless you want them thrown to the wolves. You have to think of things like that before willy-nilly wanting to get rid of someone.

As a ruck he marks well around the ground, better than the rest of ours put together, and his tap work last year, 2015, improved alot plus, importantly, he can go forward, which none of our others can do. His field kicking is alot better than his goal kicking. Not as a first ruck but certainly a 2nd ruck


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:17 pm 
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Tuohy is easily in our best 22 and would get a game in any other side. So lets just get rid of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Kezza,
I understand where you are coming from but, if we can land say pick 14 to 18, why would we not take it??
Otherwise he stays..
We need another first round pick..


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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kezza wrote:
Tuohy is easily in our best 22 and would get a game in any other side. So lets just get rid of him.


Kez, we gave become so irrelevant, it's not worth worrying about us losing another good player.
In fact I think if we just accept it, it won't hurt much....


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Tuohy is easily in our best 22 and would get a game in any other side. So lets just get rid of him.


Kez, we gave become so irrelevant, it's not worth worrying about us losing another good player.
In fact I think if we just accept it, it won't hurt much....


So true. Carlton have SO much territory to cover. It hurts to see another finals series without a Carlton appearance. Given the current AFL climate and rules in place, I wonder if the club can ever be a premiership contender. What will really hurt is see the Bombers rocket past us with a firing O'Meara. The club needs to be ruthless and get rid of the deadwood. To see Casboult run around next year will hurt as he's not part of the solution. I doubt the club will have the balls to trade Gibbs and kreuzer. If we trade touhy we need to get a reliable replacement. The club needs to get rid of the deadwood with players that can play the game and have the maturity to compete with the top teams. Long road ahead fellow supporters. Who else is going on a long long holiday...?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Kezza and Surrey I really like Tuohy and have enjoyed seeing him develop as an international rookie BUt if we were to get a first round pick for him we must take it given where we are in our development and talent base

Having said that we should ensure that if he is traded we get a good deal and that is a first round pick or a good pick and a decent player

I suspect his value will never be higher than now so if we were going to cash in we have to cash in now

In the end if he stays all the good

Otherwise if he does get traded and we get a first round pick for someone who we got and nurtured off the international rookie list the club has done well


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