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Mosquito Fleet
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:35 pm 
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He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless
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Judds Junk
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mots87 wrote:
He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.

Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).
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Judds Junk wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mots87 wrote:
He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.


Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).



pretty sure Thomas has a 700k deal for next season as well. also think walker may have a deal until the end of 17....
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:01 pm 
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So that's say a million out of the 8.9m or whatever it is accounted for.

Then you add Jones' third year at 350k ad we have about 1.3/1.4m or 17% of the cap allocated to marginal / reserves players.

The sins of the past will take some time to cover.

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Bryce Gibbs.
27 years old, previous B&F winner, averaging 26 possessions a game in 2016 (our second highest), 5.2 tackles per game (our 3rd highest), 4.9 clearances per game (our second highest) and our equal second highest goal kicker.

And you want to let him go for a pick in the 20's. :lol:

Seriously, some of you people must put your brain in a jar when you get out of bed in the mornings. Get over your hatred of Gibbs and learn a bit of objectivity.
The opposition teams are putting their best stopper on him for a reason. Because he influences games and hurts the opposition. Try getting a clue.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:02 pm 
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Stranger wrote:
What is this obsession about getting all the GWS players
the 4 players there talking about are just not good enough
all 4 of them have been at GWS from the start and have all struggled
to get a game they have been overtaken by other player who have been
there short term like Hopper , Kennedy, Whitfield and others I prefer
we traded players out for draft picks and load up with talent via the draft

Better check that crystal ball again Stranger. Not all 4 have been there from the start and 2 name in particular has been rumoured to attract interest from other clubs.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
scottopee wrote:
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I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


That's the Carlton way "The draft is a lottery" why take a risk in the draft when you can just buy players??

How did Hawthorn and Geelong set up there dynasties??? Drafting A grade talent then targeting players from other clubs. Not the other way around!!!!!


if the statement in yellow/gold is a true representation of Carlton supporters just close the doors now at Princes Park and live on the past glories...



My beef is mainly to do with trading away our better player for the lottery of the draft ... as if we would get sure fire A grade footballers ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also think that sometimes a top player is worth spending a couple of high draft picks on ... at least you are guaranteed to get 1 gun.

We will see what happens ... I was really pleased with SOS last year ... Feeling confident he will make some shrewd but sensible decisions.

What Hawthorn and Geelong didn't do on their climb up the ladder was sell the farm. They gradually build their sides through the draft and by some excellent recruiting from other sides.

Fair enough on trading our better players, but Mitchell still is not worth 2 first rounders BBW. I'm thinking a future first rounder depending on other trades. Not really anymore. It's still a good deal for Sydney imo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
scottopee wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.


That's the Carlton way "The draft is a lottery" why take a risk in the draft when you can just buy players??

How did Hawthorn and Geelong set up there dynasties??? Drafting A grade talent then targeting players from other clubs. Not the other way around!!!!!


if the statement in yellow/gold is a true representation of Carlton supporters just close the doors now at Princes Park and live on the past glories...



My beef is mainly to do with trading away our better player for the lottery of the draft ... as if we would get sure fire A grade footballers ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I also think that sometimes a top player is worth spending a couple of high draft picks on ... at least you are guaranteed to get 1 gun.

We will see what happens ... I was really pleased with SOS last year ... Feeling confident he will make some shrewd but sensible decisions.

What Hawthorn and Geelong didn't do on their climb up the ladder was sell the farm. They gradually build their sides through the draft and by some excellent recruiting from other sides.

Fair enough on trading our better players, but Mitchell still is not worth 2 first rounders BBW. I'm thinking a future first rounder depending on other trades. Not really anymore. It's still a good deal for Sydney imo.


Good measured response .. I will take that every time.

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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
WOW wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
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Hate to say it but I would be looking at getting rid of Levi now. I know he's contract is probably being discussed but right now, he's just not the player we need him to be.

I reckon he holds a bit of currency too!


Trade Gibbs AND Levi


too late to trade Gibbs

he is part of the foundation that is hopefully being set to develop and launch a contending team over the next 3 - 5 years

can't decimate the list too greatly as it is pretty ordinary at the moment


everyone is on the table for trade except

no 23
cripps
plowman
mckay
doc
charlie
cunningham
sos
phillips

so that means murphy gibbs simpson are on the table

we need to get into the draft and quickly - its been 5 years since our highest point in 2011 and its been downhill since....


Simpson is a free agent.
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ryan2000
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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jim wrote:
Only got on here so see what the dopey knee-jerkers and panic merchants were going to say.

On Levi. Can't get rid of any key position players yet as the young ones aren't ready and we badly need to draft mids. We only have just enough KP players for now so need to keep the ones we have. Levi makes a decent back-up ruckman too. He will be superseded at some stage, hopefully, but for now we need him. Besides, up until he got injured he's had a pretty damn decent 18 months, hence why he attracted quite a bit of interest last year. A few weeks ago everything "loved" him, especially after the Collingwood game. A few bad games after an injury and he's a whipping boy again. Supporters, got to love them.



Disagree that he's had a "Pretty Damn Decent" 18months................ He's shown promise and glimpses of what he can do, but that's it.

He was "OK" midway through last year before tapering off towards the end of the year and then injured. This year, he's kicked 12 goals from 14 games????? Sorry - but as a Key Forward that is far from "Decent".......


Painful thing is, i just have a feeling that if he did leave to go to say a Bulldogs or something, he would probably become the forward that he so threatens to be,........ similar to what happened to Sam Jacobs.

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ryan2000 wrote:
jim wrote:
Only got on here so see what the dopey knee-jerkers and panic merchants were going to say.

On Levi. Can't get rid of any key position players yet as the young ones aren't ready and we badly need to draft mids. We only have just enough KP players for now so need to keep the ones we have. Levi makes a decent back-up ruckman too. He will be superseded at some stage, hopefully, but for now we need him. Besides, up until he got injured he's had a pretty damn decent 18 months, hence why he attracted quite a bit of interest last year. A few weeks ago everything "loved" him, especially after the Collingwood game. A few bad games after an injury and he's a whipping boy again. Supporters, got to love them.



Disagree that he's had a "Pretty Damn Decent" 18months................ He's shown promise and glimpses of what he can do, but that's it.

He was "OK" midway through last year before tapering off towards the end of the year and then injured. This year, he's kicked 12 goals from 14 games????? Sorry - but as a Key Forward that is far from "Decent".......


Painful thing is, i just have a feeling that if he did leave to go to say a Bulldogs or something, he would probably become the forward that he so threatens to be,........ similar to what happened to Sam Jacobs.


So be it...if a player doesn't perform at Carlton its show them the door in my book.
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Straight swap

Touhy for T.Mitchell

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BlueJean wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
jim wrote:

Painful thing is, i just have a feeling that if he did leave to go to say a Bulldogs or something, he would probably become the forward that he so threatens to be,........ similar to what happened to Sam Jacobs.


So be it...if a player doesn't perform at Carlton its show them the door in my book.



Oh i aggree. I just hate watching the go on to perform so much better at other clubs.


Hell - even Hampson is playing well this year. Pisses me off.

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doofdoof wrote:
Judds Junk wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mots87 wrote:
He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.


Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).



pretty sure Thomas has a 700k deal for next season as well. also think walker may have a deal until the end of 17....

Thomas has another year and an option for the following year. Walker and Jamison are both contracted for next year although talk is that Jamo will retire this year.
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Mosquito Fleet
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kezza wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
Judds Junk wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mots87 wrote:
He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.


Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).



pretty sure Thomas has a 700k deal for next season as well. also think walker may have a deal until the end of 17....

Thomas has another year and an option for the following year. Walker and Jamison are both contracted for next year although talk is that Jamo will retire this year.


jamison walker and thomas should all do the right thing and retire at years end
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Even if Thomas did retire we would still have to include his contract in our salary cap because he came as a free agent.
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But you can't underestimate his value in the locker room. Such a leader. Dancing around like a clown and laughing to the cameras. We're paying him for the "vibe" he brings.

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But you can't underestimate his value in the locker room. Such a leader. Dancing around like a clown and laughing to the cameras. We're paying him for the "vibe" he brings.


Easily 700k worth, I mean, in any salary cap, you have to pay for extroverts, whether it be for their presentation skills or their passion or their sheer drink buying ability.

Dale Thomas earning 8% of our salary cap, as a single player capable of doing the above, is well worth it.

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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
robertbb wrote:
But you can't underestimate his value in the locker room. Such a leader. Dancing around like a clown and laughing to the cameras. We're paying him for the "vibe" he brings.


Easily 700k worth, I mean, in any salary cap, you have to pay for extroverts, whether it be for their presentation skills or their passion or their sheer drink buying ability.

Dale Thomas earning 8% of our salary cap, as a single player capable of doing the above, is well worth it.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Army the Wonderkid wrote:
robertbb wrote:
But you can't underestimate his value in the locker room. Such a leader. Dancing around like a clown and laughing to the cameras. We're paying him for the "vibe" he brings.


Easily 700k worth, I mean, in any salary cap, you have to pay for extroverts, whether it be for their presentation skills or their passion or their sheer drink buying ability.

Dale Thomas earning 8% of our salary cap, as a single player capable of doing the above, is well worth it.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Sure am. I thought the 'sheer drink buying ability' was a giveaway?

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