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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:31 pm 
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And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.


agree - cripps is getting wrecked because the club solely rely on him a player- rather than seeking an even spread of players...reminiscent of Nick Stevens, Chris Judd,, etc etc etc

tom mitchell wont be the answer - will costs alot in $ and picks......do we hear history repeating again for the quick fix?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:33 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
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We need package up our players for draft picks. Casboult and Everitt for pick

Kreuzer for pick 30



cash in all our chips - murphy gibbbs kruezer - anyone - these guys are leaders of a losing culture

Bolton was a leader of the greatest winning culture in modern football. Listen to the way he talks about these three. He knows what he's on about. There's a reason these three have been chosen as leaders of the club during a rebuild and not shipped off like Henderson was. You must have on field leaders to set the example or our next generation of potential stars will only be learning poor habits and not getting any direction.


Murph has on field leadership.


Gibbs has none.


Kreuz yeah but the body as gone.

Gibbs offers as much if not more on field leadership than Murphy. Watch who directs everyone around the stoppages, it's always Gibbs giving the instructions. Gets to and influences as many contests around the ground as anyone.

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Kreuzer and Casboult came back way too early from their injuries this year.


that is a function of reserves and development - nothing has changed there so we have no players in the reserves trying to push through for selection

same message over the last 20 years - recruitment, development, list management...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sin City wrote:
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And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.


agree - cripps is getting wrecked because the club solely rely on him a player- rather than seeking an even spread of players...reminiscent of Nick Stevens, Chris Judd,, etc etc etc

tom mitchell wont be the answer - will costs alot in $ and picks......do we hear history repeating again for the quick fix?


Tom Mitchell is an absolute gun ... I don't think there is much chance of us getting him ... but having both him and Cripps would be incredible. He would be worth our first 2 picks in the draft.

No doubt we need to get some more grunt under the ball ... but we also need some outside runners. Boekhorst needs to come back into the side. Cunningham needs to step up when he returns from injury. Likewise Buckley.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:23 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sin City wrote:
AGRO wrote:
And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.


agree - cripps is getting wrecked because the club solely rely on him a player- rather than seeking an even spread of players...reminiscent of Nick Stevens, Chris Judd,, etc etc etc

tom mitchell wont be the answer - will costs alot in $ and picks......do we hear history repeating again for the quick fix?


Tom Mitchell is an absolute gun ... I don't think there is much chance of us getting him ... but having both him and Cripps would be incredible. He would be worth our first 2 picks in the draft.

No doubt we need to get some more grunt under the ball ... but we also need some outside runners. Boekhorst needs to come back into the side. Cunningham needs to step up when he returns from injury. Likewise Buckley.



these 2 should be moved on and years end - buckley and boekhorts offer no grunt - buckley has heart but has no physical presence


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:33 pm 
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Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.


nonsense- recruitment by definition is speculation - you just do the method and process and select correctly

this club in his history does not drink from the well of the national draft- since Elliott until at end of the last year that was our attitude-

your method of keeping your cards in your hand takes us backwards

boekhorst was a 1st rd draft - he should have been a 2nd rd pick


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:42 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sin City wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
We need package up our players for draft picks. Casboult and Everitt for pick

Kreuzer for pick 30



cash in all our chips - murphy gibbbs kruezer - anyone - these guys are leaders of a losing culture

Bolton was a leader of the greatest winning culture in modern football. Listen to the way he talks about these three. He knows what he's on about. There's a reason these three have been chosen as leaders of the club during a rebuild and not shipped off like Henderson was. You must have on field leaders to set the example or our next generation of potential stars will only be learning poor habits and not getting any direction.



Bolton is an employee of the club and has no choice but to deal with the cards that have been presented to him by the Carlton board that said these 3 are untouchable

we are going to find out by years end that nothing changes at Carlton driven by the unchanging Board

Given that we traded three players that were clearly in our best 22 last year that led to us acquiring three extra first round draft picks I'd say things have changed at Carlton. Some people's negativity never will.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:49 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sin City wrote:
AGRO wrote:
And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.


agree - cripps is getting wrecked because the club solely rely on him a player- rather than seeking an even spread of players...reminiscent of Nick Stevens, Chris Judd,, etc etc etc

tom mitchell wont be the answer - will costs alot in $ and picks......do we hear history repeating again for the quick fix?


Tom Mitchell is an absolute gun ... I don't think there is much chance of us getting him ... but having both him and Cripps would be incredible. He would be worth our first 2 picks in the draft.

No doubt we need to get some more grunt under the ball ... but we also need some outside runners. Boekhorst needs to come back into the side. Cunningham needs to step up when he returns from injury. Likewise Buckley.



these 2 should be moved on and years end - buckley and boekhorts offer no grunt - buckley has heart but has no physical presence

We need more quality inside mids without a doubt but they're not the only players that make up a team. Hill and Smith offer zero grunt at the Hawks but are vital members of the team. Motlop and Murdoch are the same at the Cats, ditto Whitfield and Kelly at the Giants. You need icing on the cake players to finish off the good work of the on ball brigade.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:00 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.


nonsense- recruitment by definition is speculation - you just do the method and process and select correctly

this club in his history does not drink from the well of the national draft- since Elliott until at end of the last year that was our attitude-

your method of keeping your cards in your hand takes us backwards

boekhorst was a 1st rd draft - he should have been a 2nd rd pick


so get rid of a second round pick not because he can't play but because he was picked too early?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:27 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
We need more quality inside mids without a doubt but they're not the only players that make up a team. Hill and Smith offer zero grunt at the Hawks but are vital members of the team. Motlop and Murdoch are the same at the Cats, ditto Whitfield and Kelly at the Giants. You need icing on the cake players to finish off the good work of the on ball brigade.


buckley and boekhurst are average ball users - not icing on the cake


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:28 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.


nonsense- recruitment by definition is speculation - you just do the method and process and select correctly

this club in his history does not drink from the well of the national draft- since Elliott until at end of the last year that was our attitude-

your method of keeping your cards in your hand takes us backwards

boekhorst was a 1st rd draft - he should have been a 2nd rd pick


so get rid of a second round pick not because he can't play but because he was picked too early?


no, we trade him - if there are no suitors we delist him


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:40 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Boekhorst was excellent for us before getting injured. He really showed something.

Seems like you want to to get rid of the whole team ... and just speculate.

Lets hope SOS ain't thinking that way ... it would be a complete disaster.


nonsense- recruitment by definition is speculation - you just do the method and process and select correctly

this club in his history does not drink from the well of the national draft- since Elliott until at end of the last year that was our attitude-

your method of keeping your cards in your hand takes us backwards

boekhorst was a 1st rd draft - he should have been a 2nd rd pick


so get rid of a second round pick not because he can't play but because he was picked too early?


no, we trade him - if there are no suitors we delist him


Can we delist your posts?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Mitch Honeychurch of the Bulldogs might be worth a look. I suspect not getting a game because he is small like Caleb Daniel, but has pace, can kick a goal and a tackler. I suspect he might be the sort of player Bolts might like.

Pace will be an interesting topic of discussion by the list managers, we had very little on Saturday night, most of our pace is supplied by Boekhorst, Buckley and Armfield, none of whom are guaranteed long careers at Carlton for various reasons.

Whilst our defence looks the strongest part of our structure, there are key position holes that need filling, with Jamo all but finished, and you wonder how much more Rowe has to offer.

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I think the argument for acquiring a midfielder via free agency (if available) this year is pretty strong as our midfield depth is very shallow.

An experienced quality mid and a couple of quality mids in the draft should probably be the aim.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Robert Heatley wrote:
Mitch Honeychurch of the Bulldogs might be worth a look. I suspect not getting a game because he is small like Caleb Daniel, but has pace, can kick a goal and a tackler. I suspect he might be the sort of player Bolts might like.

Big fan. Gets injured a bit but always makes something happen when he's around the ball.

There is some quality at the Dogs not getting a regular game in Honeychurch, Hrovat, Webb. Possibly Redpath too if they're gonna stick with Boyd.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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If there is any chance at all ... go after Tom Mitchell!!!!

Mitchell and Cripps would be an insanely superb in and under combination.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Robert Heatley wrote:
Whilst our defence looks the strongest part of our structure, there are key position holes that need filling, with Jamo all but finished, and you wonder how much more Rowe has to offer.


Not to mention Casey's injury. We will be exposed by pace around half back now, and our playmaking is jeopardized too.

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BigBlueWave wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sin City wrote:
AGRO wrote:
And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.


agree - cripps is getting wrecked because the club solely rely on him a player- rather than seeking an even spread of players...reminiscent of Nick Stevens, Chris Judd,, etc etc etc

tom mitchell wont be the answer - will costs alot in $ and picks......do we hear history repeating again for the quick fix?


Tom Mitchell is an absolute gun ... I don't think there is much chance of us getting him ... but having both him and Cripps would be incredible. He would be worth our first 2 picks in the draft.

When you play alongside other quality players you're sometimes made to look better than you are... see Camporeale

Mitchell can play but I'd be livid if we gave up 2 first rounders for him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:38 am 
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I would happily trade our first 2 picks for Mitchell.

The draft is a lottery ... People keep equating early picks as A Graders. The truth is ... more often than not (especially with Carlton) its a real mix.
Trade Trade Trade ... get rid of more of our better players and spin the wheel in the draft (good on ya Madhouse) ... :grin:


To be sure of a player of Mitchell's quality would be a real coup.

But don't worry .. it is an extremely unlikely possibility.

I am just happy we finally have a sensible, discerning man in charge of recruiting.

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