Synbad wrote:
Fine years is patient.. That's how long it takes to turn a list over
Twenty one years of patience is actually somebody that's dead already
Rattens last year we were incredibly crap
His other years we won one elimination final and didn't manage more than three in a row
That's actually hardly a galvanized football club
But it's not rattens fault. He was never ready to be a senior club coach in the afl. He hadn't done an apprenticeship for it and was gifted the job by a crony Carlton board culture.
In the end the players with the typical Carlton crony culture has enough of him. In typical Carlton board culture the board went out to sound out the best coach they could.
Half the board wanted Mick half wanted roos.. The mathiesons including mark wanted Mick the Pratt's wanted the ex swans golden boy roos. Roos rejected all advances and he has been found out equally wanting at Melbourne anyway
Basically crap coaches kill everything.
Both of these coaches were successful till they landed ( only after massive money) at a crap club. Clubs they wouldn't have gone to otherwise!
It's simple!
That Pratt phase was massive to our recovery.. We had the momentum and inertia. The league hadn't yet become anywhere near as professional as it is now....
But we fluffed it with some massive poor choices
-Ratts became senior coach. Totally out of his depth. Was paranoid.. Pointed fingers at players.. Conditioning chief etc
-Sticks because president. Stayed fur seven odd years . the most laughable choice for president in the history of afl. He was unanimously voted in as president each time. Including three times by the current president who speaks about previous admins with a snake I mean scapegoating tone
-Below that swann was drafted in as CEO and kept on rolling his contact over three times or was it four?
-Judd came in and sorted out all of our players giving up hive salary cap space and costing the farm. ( we love our Messiah complex) judd allowed us to take our eyes off the ball.. On the end we killed him too!
-Recruitment and development were poor! List management was totally non existent
- football manager we brought in icke but he couldn't work wetter rattan so he was shot and replaced by the comfortably clueless McKay!
- membership had not been harvested anywhere near what it should have. Hard work was substituted by crappy jingoism.. The whole club was being rotted out by lazy, opulent, misguided self entitlement delusional cronyism.
It didn't make any real inroads into the debt which is still a massive cross the club still bares. And it's blowing out to the point that in afl football terms were now again insolvent.
By rights the afl is supposed to place is into administration which it's hesitant to do for obvious reasons. ( just another afl house rule that isn't really a rule like everything in this sport today) but it can't be far away. The board has been asked to tip in to keep the clubs head above water. Done tipping in more than others of course..
Which is a scary proposition for anybody wanting to come in on a challenge.
They will have to personally fund a massive shortfall and not just mend it.
We're still doing the most laughable things imaginable by any supposedly professional organization.
This thing will not turn around.. As a matter of fact it's going to snowball the other way.. It's already this massive snowball that this board has vomited down our throats.
Three clubs are central to this club.
Elliots
Pratt's
Mathiesons
The more this club slides the more it stays on the control of these three.. They don't always work together but they're the holders of the clubs power base.
Others are drafted in or out.
They have shored up their interests over the years to the exclusion of outsiders beautifully.
They have given much more thought in making sure power can't be vested into anybody else than turning the club around.
The money they have paid on the drip has been the debt many times over and yet they won't pay that money in one hit and wipe off five.
They won't do that because they know if the club is financially out of the woods they're unsafe.
In the meantime the club keeps slipping into oblivion which it can never truly recover from
pretty much agree with this
my understanding pratts wanted mick and the mathiesons wanted roos
for this club to move forward elliots, pratts and mathiesons must all leave any connection to the board
they have both had a fair suck of the sausebottle and have all failed
the fact that visy are now sponsoring the womens team will entrench their positon
did anyone see the 2015 annual report page 7
7
. Future Developments
Disclosure of information regarding likely developments in the operations of the Club in future financial years and the
expected results of those operations is likely to result in unreasonable prejudice to the Club. Accordingly, this
information has not been disclosed in this Report.
this has been swept under the carpet in the sense that it hasnt been spoken about
what does mean? are we insolvent?