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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:29 pm 
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Same garbage is NOT where the club is at... Oh sorry how could I forget, apart from your one donkey crusade about the Board of course..

I don't know you from Adam and many times you come out with some great perspectives on things that really get me thinking...

but to keep harping on your fixation with the Board and boil every disappointment that happens on the field to it simply not interesting anymore.

Suggesting that football side of things (what ultimately is their reason for being) hasn't changed dramatically over the last 7 months, is just being delusional....

If the board go, the board go, yippee, I'm happy for you... I for one don't stake my interest in this football club around it...

Poor Bolton..... its not Hawthorn.... Pffft.... I reckon that there wouldnt be too many people that would come to the club with their eyes more wide open than this guy.... Yep, he's a rookie coach and he will make mistakes, including overestimating the talent that he's got to play with, but I doubt there is anyone else CFC could have gotten that wouldn't put as much into the gig than he would...

I for one am not going to wait for 12 rounds. Its not boxing. There is no white towel or TKO after 12 rounds... it just keeps going.... moderate, accomodate, develop - repeat.. at the end of the season.. make a few calls.. bring in new talent and then keep going again.... in a couple of years we have a developed team that we start to expect makes finals...

not much more to it than that really...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:50 pm 
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Same garbage.. Stop it!
Been hearing you trelling us all is good
Trying to stop people from talking up loll
Pathetic!
Who are you to tell us we can't speak up after Fifteen years of garbage and four spoons?
It's getting so precious it's ridiculous

The underlying problems this club faces are no different today than they were fifteen years ago.
The decision makers are crap!
This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with them.
So you're wrong in your attempts to hush people who know the club much more intricately and can step back and look at it in clearer context than somebody like you!

Sure you can have me banned again loll.. But the clubs problems do not vanish no matter how many fingers you're crossing.

You need to prove I've been wrong about this board all along.. That's what you need to prove yourself right and me wrong.
Short of that you're sooking it up

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:59 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
I'm banned here very often
In even told by moderators I should have my own blog
Don't you tell me when I can post and when I can't too

I looked in tea leaves many years ago and told you that you'll never see a flag at this club ever again
Not just you but your children and you're childrens children
That's the state of this football club
In fact it's people like you who attempt to cover for the perpetrators who are just as guilty as they are for allowing this to happen.
Think back at all the fools gold you've been yelling eureka on
This club is no closer to success than it was during the Goddard wells night at afl house

Do you know how long ago that was?

The club has slid into the abyss
It was no accident either


Do you know how hard it is to take the greatest club in Australian sport and put it through the mincer?
It's very rare that happens and it's not bad luck.. And it's not getting fixed by these people

It's the same people you've been cheering on for the duration of the collapse!

Take a bow! You supported out every step of the way


And you've hidden like scared child at the first hint of positive performance against Richmond, lest you be seen to be even the slightest bit wrong.


10 goal loss and out you come.

And that's what shits you. You're angry that you didn't take the opportunity last week to proclaim this as another false dawn!!! Now you just look like another nuffie when you could have been a prophet!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:01 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Same garbage.. Stop it!
Been hearing you trelling us all is good
Trying to stop people from talking up loll
Pathetic!
Who are you to tell us we can't speak up after Fifteen years of garbage and four spoons?
It's getting so precious it's ridiculous

The underlying problems this club faces are no different today than they were fifteen years ago.
The decision makers are crap!
This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with them.
So you're wrong in your attempts to hush people who know the club much more intricately and can step back and look at it in clearer context than somebody like you!

Sure you can have me banned again loll.. But the clubs problems do not vanish no matter how many fingers you're crossing.

You need to prove I've been wrong about this board all along.. That's what you need to prove yourself right and me wrong.
Short of that you're sooking it up

A week too late sorry champ .

Should have been on this horse last week and we might have taken some interest.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:06 am 
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ColourMan wrote:
Firstly, I hope the 4 players get fit, and play many, many good games for Carlton, however, you've missed the point...

Apart from possibly Plowman, they weren't going to play for GWS again.... they were surplus to requirements for GWS; if they weren't contracted they would have been delisted (if they weren't traded)!

GWS have better, younger, cheaper players they preferred... and they needed the roster spots for their academy players, and mature age replacements.

Why wasn't any other club interested in these players?

How do you think GWS were able to bring in Stevie J? Hopper, Kennedy etc? This trade was critical for GWS!!

We could have, and should have, driven a much better deal (i.e including Tomlinson)!!!

They had enough list space and cap space to accommodate most if not all of them, and none of them were out of contract.

Could have re-rookied them if they so wished.

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Was disappointed to see Docherty going one-on-one with Tippett and Franklin on a few occasions. To play 4 tall defenders and still somehow lose our structure and end up with Docherty covering is not acceptable.

Rowe with a game high 13 spoils, White with 4.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:34 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Same garbage.. Stop it!
Been hearing you trelling us all is good
Trying to stop people from talking up loll
Pathetic!
Who are you to tell us we can't speak up after Fifteen years of garbage and four spoons?
It's getting so precious it's ridiculous

The underlying problems this club faces are no different today than they were fifteen years ago.
The decision makers are crap!
This has nothing to do with me and everything to do with them.
So you're wrong in your attempts to hush people who know the club much more intricately and can step back and look at it in clearer context than somebody like you!

Sure you can have me banned again loll.. But the clubs problems do not vanish no matter how many fingers you're crossing.

You need to prove I've been wrong about this board all along.. That's what you need to prove yourself right and me wrong.
Short of that you're sooking it up

A week too late sorry champ .

Should have been on this horse last week and we might have taken some interest.

You mean last week was good!?
Mate I've been hammering this for years and you're talking a week?
You're out of touch with reality my friend.
This is fifteen years.
You were a young man then.
Lol

Please learn to value the most important commodity we all have... Time

Do you have any idea how many Carlton supporters have died since the faithful night!?

Surely you jest?!

That's around the time of the twin towers collapsing
Got any idea how much has happened since?

And you're talking last week?


Oh my! :yikes: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:50 am 
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Synbad wrote:
jimmae wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Culture at Carlton needs addressing, Brenden Bolton knows that but he's getting no help from our Board, most of whom have been in-situ for far too long.

Haven't we replaced half the staff in the building since about this time last year?

Ah yes but the board replaces the staff to fix the problem and that doesn't fix the problem.
Want to know why the board can't fix the problem when though they have replaced everybody three times over?


That's because the board IS THE problem!

Who would have thought eh? Lol

Simple case of process of elimination really

Have we been told when the 66 games begin exactly and exactly what's expected after we hit 66 games?
This is like listening a clairvoyant


Synbad the board is greatly changed. Half the size. Trigg works his guts out. The gooch has a go. The coach has got the team playing the right style. We actually run both ways now and against richmond defended in the forward fifty. Look boards take you so far. Was our board that great after 79 coup. Ian Rice was no genius. Get the talent, coach them properly anything can happen


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:53 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
jimmae wrote:
It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.


We've been in rebuild mode and "3 years away from success" for 15 years. Every year brings false hope, nothing will change and no one will believe until we are consistently winning....


thats the best contribution on TC ever

we have been rebuilding since 2003...

collo said it
smorgon said it
sticks said it
the judge said it

as surrey pointed out elsewhere if we get the build wrong its curtains for Carlton.


The difference is none of them did it. This regime is clearing the decks, recruiting and have them properly coached.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:02 am 
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Synbad wrote:
chelodina wrote:
I am unsure what your definition of 'wheels falling off' is, Synbad?

Can you list a few indices based largely on quantitative data?

Yes the wheels we put on over the end of last season..

I just looked into my tea leaves and I see more of the same.

Let's see!


You are joking.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:03 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
jimmae wrote:
It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.


We've been in rebuild mode and "3 years away from success" for 15 years. Every year brings false hope, nothing will change and no one will believe until we are consistently winning....


thats the best contribution on TC ever

we have been rebuilding since 2003...

collo said it
smorgon said it
sticks said it
the judge said it

as surrey pointed out elsewhere if we get the build wrong its curtains for Carlton.


The difference is none of them did it. This regime is clearing the decks, recruiting and have them properly coached.


You guys were saying the same thing about Malthouse, and Ratten before him, and Pagan before him.....

Yeah, this time it will be different!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:04 am 
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When is tapatalk's ignore function coming? I'm getting RSI from all the scrolling.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:08 am 
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jimmae wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Firstly, I hope the 4 players get fit, and play many, many good games for Carlton, however, you've missed the point...

Apart from possibly Plowman, they weren't going to play for GWS again.... they were surplus to requirements for GWS; if they weren't contracted they would have been delisted (if they weren't traded)!

GWS have better, younger, cheaper players they preferred... and they needed the roster spots for their academy players, and mature age replacements.

Why wasn't any other club interested in these players?

How do you think GWS were able to bring in Stevie J? Hopper, Kennedy etc? This trade was critical for GWS!!

We could have, and should have, driven a much better deal (i.e including Tomlinson)!!!

They had enough list space and cap space to accommodate most if not all of them, and none of them were out of contract.

Could have re-rookied them if they so wished.

cecil89 wrote:
Was disappointed to see Docherty going one-on-one with Tippett and Franklin on a few occasions. To play 4 tall defenders and still somehow lose our structure and end up with Docherty covering is not acceptable.

Rowe with a game high 13 spoils, White with 4.


We gave up pick 28 for plowman sumner lamb and philips. Infact what we really gave up was Menzel for kerridge and the above four. Do all the permutations you like we wont lose this trade. I am betting a win


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:15 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
jimmae wrote:
It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.


We've been in rebuild mode and "3 years away from success" for 15 years. Every year brings false hope, nothing will change and no one will believe until we are consistently winning....


thats the best contribution on TC ever

we have been rebuilding since 2003...

collo said it
smorgon said it
sticks said it
the judge said it

as surrey pointed out elsewhere if we get the build wrong its curtains for Carlton.


The difference is none of them did it. This regime is clearing the decks, recruiting and have them properly coached.


You guys were saying the same thing about Malthouse, and Ratten before him, and Pagan before him.....

Yeah, this time it will be different!


Pagan was never a quick fix. Sold under a bus.
I never believed in Ratten. He sold our future.
Malthouse started turning over a list. Had 2 seasons where he couldnt have performed much better. Over paid thomas and let betts go but as bad as these mistakes were was nothing in comparison to the previous five years


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:44 am 
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Ratten should never have left.

Nobody can prove me wrong any more than I can prove myself right BUT he did have us winning a few games and he WAS in the throes of turning the list over and he WAS trying to play 'modern' footy.

The Malthouse thing was set up long before Ratten left. He was a dead man walking from the day Eddie announced Malthouse was going to exit the club.

Synbad is right in one respect at least. The culture is stuffed. Or at least it was. Fev could have been anything but was allowed to get away with murder because he was the sort of bloke you could have a beer with. He'd still be playing if he had have been pulled into line early on. Unfortunaletely, the we're Carlton and %& the rest attitude of the day will take a long time to dissipate.

I like Bolton's approach. He comes from a club where the culture is ingrained from the bootstudder up. They can thank bloody Jeff for a lot of it. He brings that culture mindset to Carlton. We saw another example of it against Sydney on Sunday in their playing group. No frills, one in all in, hard work and let the result come. No flower.

I think Bolton can turn this ship, which has a pretty wide turning circle, around. He knows what we need and he has an open ended contract, which means they can sack him any day or he stays until he wants to leave. It's a two-way commitment to the task at hand.

Week two of year one of the real rebuild. All those others, the ones Synbad rightly pans, were just charades for the mindless, rusted on, hopefuls that many of us are.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:15 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
I'm banned here very often
In even told by moderators I should have my own blog
Don't you tell me when I can post and when I can't too

I looked in tea leaves many years ago and told you that you'll never see a flag at this club ever again
Not just you but your children and you're childrens children
That's the state of this football club
In fact it's people like you who attempt to cover for the perpetrators who are just as guilty as they are for allowing this to happen.
Think back at all the fools gold you've been yelling eureka on
This club is no closer to success than it was during the Goddard wells night at afl house

Do you know how long ago that was?

The club has slid into the abyss
It was no accident either


Do you know how hard it is to take the greatest club in Australian sport and put it through the mincer?
It's very rare that happens and it's not bad luck.. And it's not getting fixed by these people

It's the same people you've been cheering on for the duration of the collapse!

Take a bow! You supported out every step of the way


And you've hidden like scared child at the first hint of positive performance against Richmond, lest you be seen to be even the slightest bit wrong.


10 goal loss and out you come.

And that's what shits you. You're angry that you didn't take the opportunity last week to proclaim this as another false dawn!!! Now you just look like another nuffie when you could have been a prophet!!!!



Stop hanging your hat on us throwing a game away to a pathetic side like Richmond.

Or keep hanging your hat on it I don't really care, it seems to gratify you. Weird. But I guess that's just that elite loser mentality this club has instilled in some of us over the last decade or so.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:32 am 
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Braithy wrote:
i don't subscribe to this whole shit opinion, we were a crap team last year, therefore we should expect to be crap again this year.

watching the swift and sharp rise of the bulldogs and port before them. bottom 4 teams with apparently no list depth and void of positional players but they come in with a new coach and new philosophy and they win off the bat and now they're looking like top 4 material in a few seasons.

i'm bound by frustration, not blue.


the whole bulldogs team buy into their game plan though Braithy. from what i have seen (on tv only - based in UK), there are a couple of passengers in our team, and a couple more spuds than the bulldogs

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:49 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Let's see how the season progresses till round 12
I have a feeling the wheels will fall off again
The wheels.
Uherm


do you really take so much joy hoping the the club you allegedly support will be crap?

is your ego so fragile that the only way you can verify your existence in this site is by consistantly telling people 'look, i was right, how good am i'?

i used to agree with some of your posts, but you are just purely negative. if this is the way you support your club, go and support someone else

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:52 am 
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Blue Monday wrote:
All too predictable seeing the same old nags rock back in when the boys on field have a tough day at the office.

Not sure what more than changing the list with 15 new players in one season will do to satisfy some... I know every recruitment selection isn't going to be a Stringer, Bontempelli, Wines or Cameron..

I didn't see anyone on this board or any other board or any expert commentators for that matter suggesting our selection of coach was a bust either, yet there you go, suddenly the couch potatoes are stirring... (and to think we missed out on Roosy)

What the @#$%&! is this 12 rounds crap about? Such a targeted, indefensible statement... What are we going to wait for round 12 to work out? What the hell satisfies a pass mark? If we win 3 by round 12 is that acceptable, 6 wins ? If we don't win the next 10, what happens? Another epic fail? Sack everyone again?

I actually don't get what will satisfy some... Nothing short of being undefeatable immediately will do.... Sorry but that ain't gonna happen, with this club or any other club.. The era of deep pockets of 15 years ago is gone.....

I'm tired of the same regurgitation that spews out of the same old's around here.

I've hated the last 15 years and this is the first time in a long time that I see a glimmer of enthusiasm, structure, development.. Even a 10 goal defeat, left me gutted but not disillusioned like the many others I've had to endure...

I just want to enjoy seeing the kids develop over the next 2-3 years, maybe win a few this year, more wins the next year and maybe a few more again the year after...

I also really enjoy reading the some of the critical, constructive, out-there thinking on this forum.. just not the same garbage I've had to tolerate for the last 5 years, please...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:13 am 
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bender wrote:

i used to agree with some of your posts, but you are just purely negative. if this is the way you support your club, go and support someone else


He admitted on here that he had been telling people he supports Hawthorn.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:51 am 
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Synbad wrote:
chelodina wrote:
I am unsure what your definition of 'wheels falling off' is, Synbad?

Can you list a few indices based largely on quantitative data?

Yes the wheels we put on over the end of last season..

I just looked into my tea leaves and I see more of the same.

Let's see!



So you have no criteria? I suspect you just monitor the threads here; look for some frustration; niggle a few regular users; and spruik the same bullsh*t that we have all known.

You are a sniper, you are in a win-win situation and you can make yourself sound tops without knowing anything about the game. The old "blame the board for everything" argument provides no insight at all. You hide behind it and continue to do so. Perhaps continue to spruik it in each thread but don't bother replying to people like Jimmae who obviously invest a serious amount of time watching the seniors and the reserves and shedding important info to the community.

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