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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:58 pm 
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I assume they went for Tomlinson but in the end couldn't get it done. Don't care though, I'm glad Yarran is gone - I'd have take pick 60 for him. @#$%&! bullshit draft pick cards, I want a team that plays for each other all the time.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:02 pm 
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club29 wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We already had 4 picks in the top 21 and we gave up Yarran to get 4 picks in the top 20.

Sorry that just doesn't make sense.


Yeah, whichever way i look at it, it doesnt add up.
I dont think its that great an outcome to be honest


Our options were:-

- 1,8,21,22 and Yarran
-1,8,12,21,22 (if Tigs caved)
-1,8,11,19 and have a good honest crack at Tomlinson (aggressive)
-1,8,19,21,22

If we had known we wouldn't get Tomlinson we may have gone about the whole thing differently.

Still happy we blew up the list. Should have did it in 2012. A new beginning.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:03 pm 
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The list had to be nuked.

Needed top 20 picks and new faces.

Probably got a little less for Yarran than hoped.

Tomlinson? pity but what can you do? GWS have more underutilized player quality than just about everyone. While that means they can release players without to much harm, it also means they don't have to sell for cheap. We all know a hoarder.

So, I think about a 7.5/10 at the moment with the potential for it to go higher if the GWS 4 can offer something.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:03 pm 
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Pick 1, 8 , 11 and 19, fantastic outcome..
Weitering is a lock, CHB for 10 plus years.
Pick 8 maybe Curnow or Weideman?? Both have missed a lot of footy, may slide.
Pick 11 & 19 best available.
Not a chance we will fluf this up, believe in SOS and co.
Next year and beyond could be,
Simpson Jamison Plowman
Buckley Weitering Tuohy
Docherty Cripps Sumner
Thomas Jaksch Boekhorst
Lamb Casboult Weideman/Curnow
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
From, Kerridge pick 11, pick 19 Graham Sheehan
Phillips Walker Everitt Rainbow Curnow Whiley
SOSS and Foster, may take 2 or so years.
Plus the PSD first pick..
Heading in the right direction..
Rome wasn't built in a day..


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:04 pm 
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club29 wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We already had 4 picks in the top 21 and we gave up Yarran to get 4 picks in the top 20.

Sorry that just doesn't make sense.


Yeah, whichever way i look at it, it doesnt add up.
I dont think its that great an outcome to be honest


Our options were:-

- 1,8,21,22 and Yarran
-1,8,12,21,22 (if Tigs caved)
-1,8,11,19 and have a good honest crack at Tomlinson (aggressive)
-1,8,19,21,22

If we had known we wouldn't get Tomlinson we may have gone about the whole thing differently.

Still happy we blew up the list. Should have did it in 2012. A new beginning.


20 & 21 were worth more to GWS for Tomlinson than 11, or even 8... we traded for 11 once GWS said no for Tomlinson


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:04 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
club29 wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We already had 4 picks in the top 21 and we gave up Yarran to get 4 picks in the top 20.

Sorry that just doesn't make sense.


Yeah, whichever way i look at it, it doesnt add up.
I dont think its that great an outcome to be honest


Our options were:-

- 1,8,21,22 and Yarran
-1,8,12,21,22 (if Tigs caved)
-1,8,11,19 and have a good honest crack at Tomlinson (aggressive)
-1,8,19,21,22

If we had known we wouldn't get Tomlinson we may have gone about the whole thing differently.

Still happy we blew up the list. Should have did it in 2012. A new beginning.


:thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:05 pm 
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I'm overall fairly happy with how we went. Couple of things I didn't like:
I know Menzel has issues but I still don't think we should have traded him out. We clearly could've done the GWS trade without dumping him.
And also, not sure how happy I am with the 20 and 21 for 11. From what I hear 10 to 25 is fairly even so I'd rather have two goes at it at 20 and 21 than one go at 11.
But I think we did pretty well overall.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:08 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
4 possibles...Weitering, Curnow, Weidman and Gresham — wow!


Curnow & Weideman likely to be gone before pick 8...


Possible = that may exist or happen, but that is not certain or probable.
Likely = such as well might happen or be true; probable.

so thanks for that.


You're right... a wasted post... not probable! :grin:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Great work by SOS, now all we need is for wayne hughes to nail the draft picks.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:21 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
club29 wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
AGRO wrote:
We already had 4 picks in the top 21 and we gave up Yarran to get 4 picks in the top 20.

Sorry that just doesn't make sense.


Yeah, whichever way i look at it, it doesnt add up.
I dont think its that great an outcome to be honest


Our options were:-

- 1,8,21,22 and Yarran
-1,8,12,21,22 (if Tigs caved)
-1,8,11,19 and have a good honest crack at Tomlinson (aggressive)
-1,8,19,21,22

If we had known we wouldn't get Tomlinson we may have gone about the whole thing differently.

Still happy we blew up the list. Should have did it in 2012. A new beginning.


20 & 21 were worth more to GWS for Tomlinson than 11, or even 8... we traded for 11 once GWS said no for Tomlinson

Yeah I think once it was clear Tomlinson was not coming we decided to get 11, as we will now probably target a KPP with 8 and go best available with 11 and 19.

If we kept 8 but landed Tomlinson that may have changed who we went for with 8.

Looking forward to the draft.

I've got to say the whole points thing, and future trading has made the trade period far more interesting.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:26 pm 
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thegezman wrote:
I've got to say the whole points thing, and future trading has made the trade period far more interesting.


....and brain hurty.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:27 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
I'm overall fairly happy with how we went. Couple of things I didn't like:
I know Menzel has issues but I still don't think we should have traded him out. We clearly could've done the GWS trade without dumping him.
And also, not sure how happy I am with the 20 and 21 for 11. From what I hear 10 to 25 is fairly even so I'd rather have two goes at it at 20 and 21 than one go at 11.
But I think we did pretty well overall.


We do have 2 goes, 2 earlier ones at 11 and 19.

What we missed out on was three goes at 19, 20, 21.

8 and 11 is two goes at elite talent. I'll take that.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:29 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
I'm overall fairly happy with how we went. Couple of things I didn't like:
I know Menzel has issues but I still don't think we should have traded him out. We clearly could've done the GWS trade without dumping him.
And also, not sure how happy I am with the 20 and 21 for 11. From what I hear 10 to 25 is fairly even so I'd rather have two goes at it at 20 and 21 than one go at 11.
But I think we did pretty well overall.


It gives us more of a chance to get what/who we want. Noodling about with less than stellar draft picks tends to get Carlton nowhere.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:32 pm 
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What are the chances of Francis being available at 8?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:44 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
The Spornstar wrote:
I'm overall fairly happy with how we went. Couple of things I didn't like:
I know Menzel has issues but I still don't think we should have traded him out. We clearly could've done the GWS trade without dumping him.
And also, not sure how happy I am with the 20 and 21 for 11. From what I hear 10 to 25 is fairly even so I'd rather have two goes at it at 20 and 21 than one go at 11.
But I think we did pretty well overall.


It gives us more of a chance to get what/who we want. Noodling about with less than stellar draft picks tends to get Carlton nowhere.


Carlton picks after 20 between 2007 and 2013:

2007:
36 Steven Browne
46 Dennis Armfield

2008:
40 Mitch Robinson
65 Rhys O'Keeffe
80 Caleb Tiller

2009:
43 Marcus Davies
59 Rohan Kerr

2010:
34 Patrick McCarthy
42 Luke Mitchell
67 Andrew McInnes
70 Nicholas Duigan

2011:
22 Joshua Bootsma
44 Sam Rowe

2012:
35 Tom Temay
54 Nicholas Graham

2013:
39 Cameron Giles
51 Nick Holman


So over 7 years our only real servicable picks outside 20 have been Armfield, Robbo, Rowe, Graham (and maybe Holman).

That ... is why I don't mind sticking to the top 20 :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:44 pm 
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bax wrote:
What are the chances of Francis being available at 8?


There's a small chance. The nationals basically burnt him out for the rest of the year.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:45 pm 
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We will not know how valuable pick 11 is (as opposed to 20 & 21) till after the draft.

If there's a slight slider it is going to be quality KP or MID. If it is a mid he's going to be a pearler.

I'd like Weideman or Curnow this year to fill a KP post and I'm hoping they may slide to pick 8.

2016 draft we will have an early pick 1-6

Will we entertain a Tomlison focus again next year or wait till he's out of contract in 2017 along with a FA for a tilt in the 2018 finals.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:47 pm 
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I think we'll need more high picks next year so not confident we'll have enough to trade for Tomlinson.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:48 pm 
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thegezman wrote:
The Spornstar wrote:
I'm overall fairly happy with how we went. Couple of things I didn't like:
I know Menzel has issues but I still don't think we should have traded him out. We clearly could've done the GWS trade without dumping him.
And also, not sure how happy I am with the 20 and 21 for 11. From what I hear 10 to 25 is fairly even so I'd rather have two goes at it at 20 and 21 than one go at 11.
But I think we did pretty well overall.


We do have 2 goes, 2 earlier ones at 11 and 19.

What we missed out on was three goes at 19, 20, 21.

8 and 11 is two goes at elite talent. I'll take that.


Im looking at the picks the same way.

I like the fact we will likely land elite talent with 1, 8 and 11

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:50 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I think we'll need more high picks next year so not confident we'll have enough to trade for Tomlinson.


That's what I think too. Hence may be a target when he's out of contract.

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