Menzel has a LARS ligament which lasts 4 years on good day. He's more likely puss weak due to this being In back of his mind. I'd rather redraft Anthony Raso than give him one more week of pay.

Yes and no; I've double checked on the margin, it's supposedly 200, not 500.

So 20 & 21 for 8 would get knocked back, but 7 would be fine. 20 & 28 would be fine for 8; both trades are advantageous to GWS from a points perspective.

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Because they have a limited amount of space on their list and academy kids coming through for the next couple of years.

Point well made GWS on "Perceived value", or "previous value" in a by gone era.

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Carlton has identified that several players on the list whilst they are skilfull, they are soft.

Their intention is to remove all of those identified over the next two seasons and inject recognised hard and tough young talent who will be with the club for many years. Menzel is not one of them.
Targets for removal next year will be: Jones/ Warnock/ Wood/ Tutt/ Casbolt/ Clem smith if he doesn’t come on/ Curnow/ Armfield. Warnock will probably be de-listed if the Blues can sure up their draft selections.

I reckon some of the blokes we are bringing in are in the category of the guys going out.
I would never use the term soft for any footballer but you using Curnow and Armfield as examples of soft sums up why your post is Rubbish.

I was going to say the same thing.

Yeah, just came here to laugh at the Curnow and Armfield are soft post. They might be limited skill wise but soft is the last thing you'd call them.

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I know they are not soft, they are who we will be removing from the list on top of the soft ones.

At the risk of being howled down and pilloried, every 'pundit' from Teflon Terry Wallet to Andy 'radar' Maher is collectively bemoaning how bad the Carlton list is and how we will win the spoon for the next 3 years in a row. Many of these folks are the same people that had us challenging for top 4 at this stage last year and had the Bulldogs headed to a long rebuild.

I am not suggesting for a second that the CFC list is premiership material but are we really that bad?? My impression this year was that with Mick gone we put the queue in the rack, as soon as a player was injured they were sent for surgery and replaced by a young player from Northern. potentially next year we welcome back into the side Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy, Jaksch before we add any trade-ins. In terms of what we are losing, Henderson, Yarran and Menzel were either in and out of the side or not fit/trying when they did play. To bring in some youngsters with a couple of years under their belt, then add some new talent we could be a lot better than many give us credit for.

I am not predicting a premiership or even finals but I dont think we are as bad as the whole interwebs seem to report we are. Next 3 spoons in a row?? Please! Surely not! If we get the right trades done today potentially we have Wietering and Plowman filling the defensive KP post, a fitter Crippa in the middle with Kreuz, Murph and Gibbs and Kerridge on one wing, Boekhorst on the other. KP forwards might be a concern but KJ and Levi surrounded by a fitter Clem Smith, Daisy, Sumner? Everitt.

Probably not in Hawthorn class but not 3 spoons in a row material either.

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Maybe, just maybe by the end of next year some experienced free agent talent will be thinking about wanting to play for the blues, by the end of 2017, they will be lining up for the Blues assault on the premiership which given the young age of the list should have a window open of 3-5 years.

By the end of the draft SOS will have turned over nearly 25% of our list, clearly he is having a crack!

Ahh, three number one draft picks in row, that brings back fond memories of our halcyon days.

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Kerridge >>> Jones (in 2014 form)
And he would definitely help our midfield now that Judd and Bell have gone ...

But Menzel definitely has way more upside than Kerridge.

Couple of minutes ago:

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Our list just grew by 3 with the four GWS boys and Kerridge added and Menzel gone.
This trade period suddenly got exciting.

So overs for Henda. Unders for menz and a bunch of players added as a bonus !

All we need is for Richmond to blink on pick 12, and its Livingston, Sporn and Wiggins come on down.

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How long before those flowers at SEN, and other outlets, claim SOS had "unfair knowledge of GWS' intellectual property, and therefore Carlton cheated"?

I want to see their faces when the Yaz deal goes through for 12.

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